Nick nee pasta wrote: Tue Apr 07, 2026 7:57 pm

gotdamn wrote: Tue Apr 07, 2026 7:45 pm Pavement is just a very unexciting band.

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FM Pasta now Nick nee Pasta?

And Pavement are fun.

I reckon the whole slacker tag/ baggage makes Pavement an easy band to dismiss, write off, even hate… but to call them lazy musicians or songwriters is so way off the mark. Totally fine if people don’t like it, but there’s craft and some great guitar interplay on those songs that is bloody fantastic. - Type slowly - for example.

…and when they wanted to rock the fuck out they could do that as well - Embassy Row has got ya covered.

I reckon that’s where PVMNT were a step ahead of many of their 90s peers - they could actually dabble around and be diverse - not dissimilar to Sebadoh in that sense - a whole thread on that one for those wanting to go there…

Forgot to add…

https://www.premierrockforum.com/viewto ... it=Sebadoh

Gramsci wrote: Tue Apr 07, 2026 11:41 pm

Nick nee pasta wrote: Tue Apr 07, 2026 7:57 pm

gotdamn wrote: Tue Apr 07, 2026 7:45 pm Pavement is just a very unexciting band.

YAWN YAWN YAWN

Off topic.

FM Pasta now Nick nee Pasta?

And Pavement are fun.

Yes Gramsci. I wasn't able to log into the old account.

I know plenty of good folk who like and LOVE Pavement. They've never clicked with me. I try again every few years(like eating oysters or tripe). It still just bores me.

Would get together for a dinner revolving around oysters (small size, cold water, briny), tripe (but you gotta know how to cook it so it gets silky and pleasant), and Pavement (up to and including Crooked Rain, at least).

Nick nee pasta wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2026 6:57 am

Gramsci wrote: Tue Apr 07, 2026 11:41 pm

Nick nee pasta wrote: Tue Apr 07, 2026 7:57 pm

YAWN YAWN YAWN

Off topic.

FM Pasta now Nick nee Pasta?

And Pavement are fun.

Yes Gramsci. I wasn't able to log into the old account.

I know plenty of good folk who like and LOVE Pavement. They've never clicked with me. I try again every few years(like eating oysters or tripe). It still just bores me.

Good to see.

I’m of very similar mind on Pavement. I remember late 90s people going absolutely crazy for this band. Same people that dug Sebodah et al. There was a sub genre of “slacker rock” that was less noisy than Nirvana etc. It’s fine.

They’re a perfect okay band. I put them on a couple of times a year.

Gramsci wrote: I remember late 90s people going absolutely crazy for this band. Same people that dug Sebodah et al. There was a sub genre of “slacker rock” that was less noisy than Nirvana etc. It’s fine.

See, now that's the thing: By the late '90s, both of these bands had sort of been defanged. Past their prime. A bit of indie by the numbers.

But put on the early-days chaos of Pavement's "Recorder Grot" or Sebadoh's "Cry Sis" and, holy shit, Nirvana sounds like Aerosmith outtakes by comparison.

Also if choosing between the two I am a Silver Jews guy, but luckily I don’t have to. I listen to Pavement casually with my wife but don’t put on Berman unless I am going to be Paying Attention.

For some reason I never listen to the one between Wowee Zowee and Terror Twilight. I think the Beck-sounding one always kind of steered me away.

The first time I ever heard Pavement was seeing the Spit On A Stranger video on MTV when I was a child and it was jarring enough for me to remember to this day. I just remember being surprised that they looked like regular people, although looking back they’re obviously a good looking group that grew up destined for college and knew how to act and present themselves. It sounds kind of crazy now but I was too young to have caught grunge and by the time I started Paying Attention the MTV landscape had moved on to boy bands, nu metal, and latino pop.

I don’t know why I chose Sebadoh over Pavement in the other thread, I like them but that is not accurate. I like the witchy stuff and scattered tracks and albums, but they aren’t part of my DNA the way Pavement is.

llllllllllllllllllll wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2026 11:47 am For some reason I never listen to the one between Wowee Zowee and Terror Twilight.


I don’t know why I chose Sebadoh over Pavement in the other thread, I like them but that is not accurate. I like the witchy stuff and scattered tracks and albums, but they aren’t part of my DNA the way Pavement is.

Brighten the Corners. After the long winded (in a good way to me) Wowee Zowee I though Brighten the Corners was a nice record of digestible pop cookies. It's not their best but its a decent little Pavement record. I've never been able to get into Terror Twilight. It has a few ok songs but it's mostly a mess.

As for Sebadoh, I feel weird about them. I LOVE the songs I love but HATE the songs I don't love. Sometimes the lyric and singing style of Sebadoh is entirely unlistenable to me. I hate everything in the world about the songs "Skull" and "On Fire"