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Greg Saunders at This Modern World wrote:

Ron Paul’s supporters are “moneybombing” his campaign today bringing in $2.5 million so far which brings him closer to Fred Thompson territory. Now that he’s bringing in the cash, his next big obstacle is trying to find Republicans who want to vote for him. They love the war, Ron Paul doesn’t. A grassroots fundraising stunt isn’t going to change that.

Speaking of Ron Paul, I’m getting really tired of the way his self-serving definition of the word “freedom”. Nevermind the fact that the very word “freedom” has evolved since the founding of this country, in Ron Paul world, if you vote for another candidate then you hate freedom. This is the same sort of Orwellian wordplay that I despise about the Bush Administration.

Finally, shame on the New York Times for helping the Ron Paul campaign play their semantic games by printing this letter to the editor from Bruce Fein chastising Hillary Clinton and every other presidential candidate besides Ron Paul for not signing the “American Freedom Pledge”. All of the Democratic candidates have signed on to a virtually identical (and Ron Paul supported) “American Freedom Pledge”, which kinda contradicts the letter’s implicit claim that Democrats don’t oppose torture, restoring habeas corpus, etc. More importantly, the Times failed to note that the letter’s author, Bruce Fein, is a member of Ron Paul’s campaign. You’d think that would merit a mention.

Rick Reuben wrote:

larsxe wrote:Are you not agreeing that the corporate world would wield enormous power (even compared to today), and use this power irresponsibly at the expense of the general populace, if the government was reduced to a bare mininum?

I believe that trust in Big Government has bred an attitude of 'we'll let Big Government fight Big Business for us, and we'll just keep voting in corporate Democrats and hope for the best'. Big Government is designed ineptitude, designed by money powers to take the blame for corporate aggression.
( I am speaking only for America, just to be clear- any change I advocate is for America. ) Big Government is the property of Big Business, so therefore, I assume that Big Business likes the property they have. To hurt the greedy, take away their property. I want Americans to face their real enemy: corporate America. As long as they think that Big Government is fighting this battle for them, they lay back and do shit, just like after 9/11, just like after the two stolen elections, just like they lay back and do shit as their rights are taken away.

I say the path to a new government in America is a complete repudiation of the existing failed government. Even if the repudiation strips away existing protections provided by Big Government and turns the corporate power into a visible, angry adversary, I see this toss into the deep end of the pool as the only path to awakening for American citizens. They have to be forced to fight against their real enemy. If present trends continue, we will remain the slow-boiling frogs in the pot, and the gradual application of heat will cook us.

The American citizens are an appalling mess. Every good movement against corporate power or against war stalls out at like 12% activism. The other 88% might *say* they're against this and that, but they don't fight for these things. I'm tired of waiting for them to act.

Mostly, I expect an economic crash to provoke this confrontation, but I'd rather see the people schedule this confrontation for themselves. That's why I support Ron Paul. An assault on their fake money system may panic the elites, they may overreact, and they may face a population that they are not completely prepared to handle.

Rick Reuben wrote:

o_d_m wrote: in Ron Paul world, if you vote for another candidate then you hate freedom.

It's simple. Ron Paul=anti-Federal Reserve. All others=not. Ron Paul=Freedom. No Freedom under fake money. I love how you mainstream liberals are so caught off-guard by how widely the Fed issue resonates, and how it has propelled Paul's campaign. That's because you and your parents have been lied to about how the economy works for 90 years.

Call us racists and anti-semites and heartless and nuts some more, to try and stop Ron Paul ( I'm not saying you, o-d-m, I'm saying that's the dominant theme from the angry Liberal Thought Police )- you're going to have to. Or get your lovely military-intelligence complex to kill him. I'm sure you will all speak out about that, just like you took to the streets over JFK or MLK or RFK or 9/11.

Have you read the Freedom Pledge, odm?

Rick Reuben wrote:Are you going to respond to the reply I gave you about taxes and health care or are you going to drop it?

Rick Reuben wrote:

simmo wrote: I believe the US needs a bigger, more responsible government and to pay more taxes. You need a free health system, for example. In the first few pages of this thread - before things got nasty - I made that clear.

Yes, but I noticed that you cut out of your reply any comment on the two creatures that prevent us from having an equitable tax system or national health care:

the symbiosis between the private central bank and the military-industrial-private arms dealers-pharmaceutical-HMO-private hospital-medical insurance-all other insurance-complex

and their combined efforts to keep America's economy on a perpetual war footing: thieving resources, bullying weaker economies, and maintaining petrodollar hegemony.

( oh, and they control 98% of the media, too.)

Rick Reuben wrote:Even if the repudiation strips away existing protections provided by Big Government and turns the corporate power into a visible, angry adversary, I see this toss into the deep end of the pool as the only path to awakening for American citizens. They have to be forced to fight against their real enemy. If present trends continue, we will remain the slow-boiling frogs in the pot, and the gradual application of heat will cook us.

o_d_m wrote:I vote for the candidate I agree with the most. Not who Rick or chet agree with most or who big_dave and happyandbored agree with (especially since they are in the UK) Kucinich is that guy for me. (until he proves otherwise)