Ron Paul looks good - for about thirty seconds.
He wins 1000 points for yelling about the Fed, fiat and fractional-reserve banking.
Alas, he loses several million points for being a hardcore no-government libertarian retard whose prescription for an over-privatized country is more privatization. In the face of crumbling national physical infrastructure and disappearing national cognitive infrastructure, Paul thinks the Class of '29 had the right idea. Great.
This position is nicely portrayed this way: a burglary ring is working over a neighborhood, systemically breaking and entering, grabbing what they can and running off to fence the goods. Ron Paul's prescription: fire all the cops and march over to the fence, where the stolen goods are sold and demand they open the books.
Retard.
Ron Paul wins 10,000 points for seeking to end the illegal foreign wars.
Then he loses several million more points for not noticing that these wars ARE privatization projects in and of themselves. They are not aberrations, they are systemic of and essential to the overriding, seldom-interrupted project to privatize all public funds. Since he will not move to re-establish (or at the very least endorse or protect) a commons against the economic (local) and physical (overseas) terror of the unfettered Chicago-school free market, he is, ideologically speaking, a friend to all waterboarders.
Dangerous retard.
A candidate who seeks to limit reproductive freedom is bad enough, but a candidate who seeks to limit reproductive freedom while at the same time favoring the gutting of public education is...a dangerous, moralizing retard positioned at the nation's birth canal, eagerly waving in generation after generation of complete fucking idiots. In libertarian circles, this is called "enlarging the base."
I'll not be voting for a neoliberal Reaganite suckass whose lame, transparently pandering notions of "getting government off our backs" is exactly as disingenuous, anti-democratic and insidious as every other wildly successful public-relations lie told since Freud's nephew invented the industry in 1915.
-r
Presidential Contender: Ron Paul
622Damn, Warmowski, you get the Gold Star for today. Total PWNAGE. The point system was a nice touch.
Presidential Contender: Ron Paul
623How about this chestnut from the Ron Paul campaign, circa 2003:
You've got to be a special kind of moron to somehow claim that Christianity is repressed in America. How many speeches by politicians don't somehow throw in the fact that their faith determines their policy decisions? Do you know how many Americans believe that God loves them on a personal basis? 90%, for Christ's sake. That's way, way off the charts for an industrialized, Western society such as ours, putting us with Iran and African countries.
Ron Paul demonizes a mythical "secular elite" who allegedly go around forcing people to put up their crucifixes and refrain from saying "Merry Christmas". I have never encountered such a phenomenon in my entire life. Most on the left have no animus against religion per se. What we are against is the introduction of state policies specifically promoting its presence--i.e., school vouchers, Christian drug- and alcohol-rehab clinics, the basing of illegal wars on "what God told me to do to combat evil." These sorts of things have real-world, dangerous effects. Ron Paul is a retard.
This guy is spewing right-wing propaganda, and millions of people are lapping it up like it was Froot Loops. Just goes to show that the internet can be hazardous to your mental health. You expect me to jump on your lobotomized bandwagon just because you're against the Iraq war and the Patriot Act? Not so fast, buddy. You might be deserving of a cookie, but not any serious respect.
Through perverse court decisions and years of cultural indoctrination, the elitist, secular Left has managed to convince many in our nation that religion must be driven from public view. The justification is always that someone, somewhere, might possibly be offended or feel uncomfortable living in the midst of a largely Christian society, so all must yield to the fragile sensibilities of the few. The ultimate goal of the anti-religious elites is to transform America into a completely secular nation, a nation that is legally and culturally biased against Christianity.
This growing bias explains why many of our wonderful Christmas traditions have been lost. Christmas pageants and plays, including Handel’s Messiah, have been banned from schools and community halls. Nativity scenes have been ordered removed from town squares, and even criticized as offensive when placed on private church lawns. Office Christmas parties have become taboo, replaced by colorless seasonal parties to ensure no employees feel threatened by a “hostile environment.” Even wholly non-religious decorations featuring Santa Claus, snowmen, and the like have been called into question as Christmas symbols that might cause discomfort. Earlier this month, firemen near Chicago reluctantly removed Christmas decorations from their firehouse after a complaint by some embittered busybody. Most noticeably, however, the once commonplace refrain of “Merry Christmas” has been replaced by the vague, ubiquitous “Happy Holidays.” But what holiday? Is Christmas some kind of secret, a word that cannot be uttered in public? Why have we allowed the secularists to intimidate us into downplaying our most cherished and meaningful Christian celebration?
The notion of a rigid separation between church and state has no basis in either the text of the Constitution or the writings of our Founding Fathers. On the contrary, our Founders’ political views were strongly informed by their religious beliefs. Certainly the drafters of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, both replete with references to God, would be aghast at the federal government’s hostility to religion. The establishment clause of the First Amendment was simply intended to forbid the creation of an official state church like the Church of England, not to drive religion out of public life.
The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian yet religiously tolerant America, with churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance. Throughout our nation’s history, churches have done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility. Moral and civil individuals are largely governed by their own sense of right and wrong, and hence have little need for external government. This is the real reason the collectivist Left hates religion: Churches as institutions compete with the state for the people’s allegiance, and many devout people put their faith in God before their faith in the state. Knowing this, the secularists wage an ongoing war against religion, chipping away bit by bit at our nation’s Christian heritage. Christmas itself may soon be a casualty of that war.
You've got to be a special kind of moron to somehow claim that Christianity is repressed in America. How many speeches by politicians don't somehow throw in the fact that their faith determines their policy decisions? Do you know how many Americans believe that God loves them on a personal basis? 90%, for Christ's sake. That's way, way off the charts for an industrialized, Western society such as ours, putting us with Iran and African countries.
Ron Paul demonizes a mythical "secular elite" who allegedly go around forcing people to put up their crucifixes and refrain from saying "Merry Christmas". I have never encountered such a phenomenon in my entire life. Most on the left have no animus against religion per se. What we are against is the introduction of state policies specifically promoting its presence--i.e., school vouchers, Christian drug- and alcohol-rehab clinics, the basing of illegal wars on "what God told me to do to combat evil." These sorts of things have real-world, dangerous effects. Ron Paul is a retard.
This guy is spewing right-wing propaganda, and millions of people are lapping it up like it was Froot Loops. Just goes to show that the internet can be hazardous to your mental health. You expect me to jump on your lobotomized bandwagon just because you're against the Iraq war and the Patriot Act? Not so fast, buddy. You might be deserving of a cookie, but not any serious respect.
Presidential Contender: Ron Paul
624Rick Reuben wrote:simmo wrote:Bob - are you actively involved in fundraising for Ron Paul?
Haven't you seen what a wonderful job I am doing for Ron right here, with my peaceful and measured arguments??
I've contributed to Paul and I'm on some discussion groups that try and get people talking about him. Of course, if he survives to the IL primary, I'll campaign.
I think Simmo has asked a fair question.
Bob's, erm, "peaceful" posts have, perhaps, won over two people, and probably turned a lot of people off to the guy, but there's no way to know that. I'd say spending hours on the PRF trying to win people over to Paul is an inefficient use of time, if the goal is to actually get people won over, and not just chat about things.
Yes, how many of the rabid supporters actually get boots on the ground? I have friends who have taken time off of their jobs to work for candidates - Dean, Clark, Nader and a few others.
I tend to keep my volunteer work local, but I work actively on those projects, plus I spend countless hours a week working with a national organization dedicated to helping musicians get a fair break in a Clear Channel world. There's no way to know, but I think it helps the causes I care about.
I'm curious about how many of Paul's (or whomever's) congregation will get out and work hard for the man. Anyone can give money, but it takes a bit more to give your time.
-A
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Presidential Contender: Ron Paul
625How the fuck did it take 45 pages for the word "neo-liberal" to appear as a criticism of Ron Paul?
We should all take ten of the best for that schoolboy error.
We should all take ten of the best for that schoolboy error.
Presidential Contender: Ron Paul
626I think Paul's campaign would be quite similar to Dean's in that regard Alex.
I'm no supporter of the man, but I think a sufficient number of people would be willing to work for his campaign.
I actually already see a lot of that around here. People put signs out, have meetings and argue vigourously for Paul. Its very grassroots and admirable in that regard.
Strangely, I saw a teacher with his truck covered in Ron Paul bumper stickers and signs at the high school my wife teaches at. Thats not a constituency I would expect Paul to have made many friends in. (Considering his strong anti-union and anti-NEA sentiments) But it was obvioously an ardent supporter. I wish I had taken a picture because his truck was covered.
To be honest, I see more Paul bumper stickers around here than any other candidate on either side. (If thats an indicator of anything at all)
If I'm not mistaken, another crazy short guy from Texas got that kind of support around here in '92. It must be something in the water in Valdosta.
I'm no supporter of the man, but I think a sufficient number of people would be willing to work for his campaign.
I actually already see a lot of that around here. People put signs out, have meetings and argue vigourously for Paul. Its very grassroots and admirable in that regard.
Strangely, I saw a teacher with his truck covered in Ron Paul bumper stickers and signs at the high school my wife teaches at. Thats not a constituency I would expect Paul to have made many friends in. (Considering his strong anti-union and anti-NEA sentiments) But it was obvioously an ardent supporter. I wish I had taken a picture because his truck was covered.
To be honest, I see more Paul bumper stickers around here than any other candidate on either side. (If thats an indicator of anything at all)
If I'm not mistaken, another crazy short guy from Texas got that kind of support around here in '92. It must be something in the water in Valdosta.
Presidential Contender: Ron Paul
627o_d_m wrote:sorry,
I didn't mean to imply you were telling me who to vote for. Its just that you and dave are the only guys I could think of off the top of my head who consistently agitate Rick.
Honestly, I'm not. He replies to me and I'm the idiot for keeping things going long after a sensible person would have dropped the subject, and I end up posting the same paragraph over and over as he nitpicks my posts like someone looking for continuity errors in a movie and challenges me to back up claims that I've not made.
Presidential Contender: Ron Paul
628big_dave wrote:How the fuck did it take 45 pages for the word "neo-liberal" to appear as a criticism of Ron Paul?
We should all take ten of the best for that schoolboy error.
Wikipedia's entry for Neoliberalism wrote:In many respects, the term is used to denote a group of neoclassical-influenced economic theories, right-wing libertarian political philosophies, and political rhetoric that portrayed government control over the economy as inefficient, corrupt or otherwise undesirable. Neoliberalism is not a unified economic theory or political philosophy — it is a label denoting an apparent shift in social-scientific and political sentiments that manifested themselves in theories and political platforms supporting a reform of largely centralized postwar economic institutions in favor of decentralized ones. Few supporters of neoliberal policies use the word itself.
Now, I know you don't need any help looking like an idiot, but as long as the cat is out of the bag, let's discuss. I lurk here and I'd prefer your next 1900 posts to be slightly less dumb. Can you help me out?
-r
Presidential Contender: Ron Paul
629warmowski wrote:big_dave wrote:How the fuck did it take 45 pages for the word "neo-liberal" to appear as a criticism of Ron Paul?
We should all take ten of the best for that schoolboy error.Wikipedia's entry for Neoliberalism wrote:In many respects, the term is used to denote a group of neoclassical-influenced economic theories, right-wing libertarian political philosophies, and political rhetoric that portrayed government control over the economy as inefficient, corrupt or otherwise undesirable. Neoliberalism is not a unified economic theory or political philosophy — it is a label denoting an apparent shift in social-scientific and political sentiments that manifested themselves in theories and political platforms supporting a reform of largely centralized postwar economic institutions in favor of decentralized ones. Few supporters of neoliberal policies use the word itself.
Now, I know you don't need any help looking like an idiot, but as long as the cat is out of the bag, let's discuss. I lurk here and I'd prefer your next 1900 posts to be slightly less dumb. Can you help me out?
-r
Hey fuckface, I was agreeing with you. I was suprised that no one else had raised neo-liberalism as a criticism of Ron Paul in nearly 50 pages of blearly arguments.
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Presidential Contender: Ron Paul
630warmowski wrote:big_dave wrote:How the fuck did it take 45 pages for the word "neo-liberal" to appear as a criticism of Ron Paul?
We should all take ten of the best for that schoolboy error.Wikipedia's entry for Neoliberalism wrote:In many respects, the term is used to denote a group of neoclassical-influenced economic theories, right-wing libertarian political philosophies, and political rhetoric that portrayed government control over the economy as inefficient, corrupt or otherwise undesirable. Neoliberalism is not a unified economic theory or political philosophy — it is a label denoting an apparent shift in social-scientific and political sentiments that manifested themselves in theories and political platforms supporting a reform of largely centralized postwar economic institutions in favor of decentralized ones. Few supporters of neoliberal policies use the word itself.
Now, I know you don't need any help looking like an idiot, but as long as the cat is out of the bag, let's discuss. I lurk here and I'd prefer your next 1900 posts to be slightly less dumb. Can you help me out?
-r
Warmowski, you consistently make me laugh out loud. Salut!!!
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