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eephour wrote:

The original Tonights the Night is my holy grail. How did you come across it?

The original blotter paper covers are out there, it's just hard to find one w/ no ring wear, corner wear, etc. with a mint record. I got mine for $15 at Bullseye records in Milwaukee. It's one of those hard to find lps that isn't $100 yet.

Besides a picture inner sleeve of the band playing, some copies came with one of 3 different inserts (or none)...Here's a list of the three, including the Dutch insert translated into English http://hyperrust.org/General/TTNInsert.html

Thanks. I gotta get in gear and find that puppy.

tallchris wrote:

etch wrote:

tallchris wrote:BUMP.

There is a Luxman PD-264 on my local Craigslist for $125 (with an Audio Technica cartridge).

Would this be a worth while replacement from my kinda crappy Stanton STR8-20 I've been using for the last three years?

That's a fairly good price for the Luxman, which by all accounts are nice tables for what they offer. It's not going to be the end all but better than what you have, probably by a mile.

Here's a review of the 284 which is very similar:
http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/frr.p ... &read&3&4&

Which AT is on it?

Waiting to hear back about the cartridge.

Also, the tone arm holder is missing. I forgot to mention that in my original post.

The cartridge is an AT90. From what I can tell, kind of basic quality but with little use. I'd try and change it out somewhat soon.

So $125, should I go for it PRF?

tallchris wrote:
So $125, should I go for it PRF?

go for it. offer him $100. If it works at all, it will play records, which is worth $125.

If you like playing records, you can buy a better table later on when you have more money. For $125 you will not likely do better.

poolboy wrote:I've had my NAD 533 turntable for roughly 4 years now and highly recommend it. Purist charm, reasonably priced. Comes with a Goldring Elektra cartdridge.

I've had my NAD 533 for about 10 years now, but for two of those years it was unused, sitting at my mum's house. In the past year, it's begun to slow down - I've checked the motor, replaced the belt, lubricated and checked the spindle. But nothing works for too long before the platter starts grinding to a halt again, as if it's too heavy for the motor.

So I'm looking for a replacement. Many of the home-use audiophile products look incredibly stylish, and it seems you get what you pay for mostly. I don't mind paying a few hundred quid, probably up to about £500 ($1000 or so?). But last night a mate suggested that just buying a Technics-type DJ turntable might do the job just as well. I always thought those things looked pretty horrible, zero-styling, bread-and-butter performance and output, but I've woken up this morning thinking he may have a point. Naturally enough, I turn to the PRF for advice.

Any ideas?

floog wrote:those years it was unused, sitting at my mum's house. In the past year, it's begun to slow down - I've checked the motor, replaced the belt, lubricated and checked the spindle. But nothing works for too long before the platter starts grinding to a halt again, as if it's too heavy for the motor.

So I'm looking for a replacement. Many of the home-use audiophile products look incredibly stylish, and it seems you get what you pay for mostly. I don't mind paying a few hundred quid, probably up to about £500 ($1000 or so?). But last night a mate suggested that just buying a Technics-type DJ turntable might do the job just as well. I always thought those things looked pretty horrible, zero-styling, bread-and-butter performance and output, but I've woken up this morning thinking he may have a point. Naturally enough, I turn to the PRF for advice.

Any ideas?

for that money, get a brand new rega 3 or 5, a VPI (which are going to be harder to find over in the UK, or a used Linn LP-12.

the super high end technics tables are good the Sp-10 in particular, but they need a really good (and expensive) plinth - and a good tonearm. The tonearms that come with the lesser Technics turntables suck.

i have a choice to make.

rega planar 3

vs.

pro-ject 6


also, what should i use as a reference album to compare sound quality? any suggestions?

slowriot wrote:also, what should i use as a reference album to compare sound quality? any suggestions?

How about an album you listen to a lot that's recorded really well?

For me, it was listening to At Action Park that I first had an epiphany about room sound and nuance as a dimension of a recording. I must have been all of 16, with a boombox CD player resting on my chest as I lay in bed refusing to do anything productive with a Saturday afternoon.
There's this little bit at the start of The Admiral were Steve says something like "Well, I'll say..."
Probably had listened to that album a score of times before I even noticed that bit, but it taught me to start paying better attention to detail, so when I finally obtained the LP it became my measure of how good a component is.
Coincidentally, I've used the intro to Man... or Astroman?'s Experiment Zero as a test for proper channel alignment of my speakers, which I believe is the closest Steve's came to engineering a stereo test record.

Brinkman wrote:

slowriot wrote:also, what should i use as a reference album to compare sound quality? any suggestions?

How about an album you listen to a lot that's recorded really well?

For me, it was listening to At Action Park that I first had an epiphany about room sound and nuance as a dimension of a recording. I must have been all of 16, with a boombox CD player resting on my chest as I lay in bed refusing to do anything productive with a Saturday afternoon.
There's this little bit at the start of The Admiral were Steve says something like "Well, I'll say..."
Probably had listened to that album a score of times before I even noticed that bit, but it taught me to start paying better attention to detail, so when I finally obtained the LP it became my measure of how good a component is.
Coincidentally, I've used the intro to Man... or Astroman?'s Experiment Zero as a test for proper channel alignment of my speakers, which I believe is the closest Steve's came to engineering a stereo test record.

makes sense. i mostly wanted to check to see if anyone had specific recommendations about the two turntables in question.

slowriot wrote:i have a choice to make.

rega planar 3

vs.

pro-ject 6


also, what should i use as a reference album to compare sound quality? any suggestions?

I would suggest that you use any album you know and like. It doesn't have to be "well recorded", although that helps. I would stick with acoustic stuff, or more vocalist oriented stuff. The Buzzcocks or the New Bomb Turks might make it harder to pick out subtle differences than Bedhead or Yo La Tengo.

Don't listen for "better highs" or "deeper bass" or some audio-geek bullshit. Listen to the music. do the musicians sound like they are in tune, like they are playing in synch? does the singer sound like he or she has a cold? how do the instrumnets - like drums - compare to what you know real drums sound like? And most important: does the emotional message in the music come thru to you? Close your eyes and imagine if you were at a gig and you heard this sound - would you buy the record? Do the musicians impress you or not?

Try to think in musical terms, not hi-fi terms.