Both summoned a decadent and depraved post-punk take on the Alice Cooper playbook to great commercial effect in the 90s. But which shock-rocker do you reckon will win in a face off?

I'm somewhat torn in that I believe La Sexorcisto is practically perfect (and Astro-Creep 2000 is no slouch either), but Rob's solo stuff (sans Jay and Sean) is just junk. Manson is a blowhard across a whole album, but I am generally entertained by the singles on the first 5 albums. The stuff after Holy Wood..., however, is some real rancid product.

FIGHT!

The last time I saw NIN was sometime around '94. By then I was a pretty big fan and psyched to see him for the second time. The openers were a cheesy as fuck lesbian "techno" act called Fem2Fem and a new band TR discovered called Marilyn Manson. After steeling myself against the horrid electronic rave music of Fem2Fem I was ready to check out MM. The lights go down and out comes this dude cosplaying as Vincent Price in Witchfinder General. After rolling my eyes so far back that I could see into the past I had enough and bailed. Didn't even stay for NIN. It was that bad. All that said, over the years I have been a bit charmed by his fetishization of surgical tools and prostheses, and Mechanical Animals is kinda fun.

I don't know much from White Zombie but I do admit to dancing pretty hard in clubs to KMFDM's remixes of "Thunder Kiss '65." I hear Soul Crusher is the WZ record for the noise rock crowd but I've never spent quality time with it. I like him better as a filmmaker and find him easy on the eyes when not looking like a cyberpunk reject from Fields of the Nephilim.

So it comes down to Thunder Kiss '65 remixes vs Dope Show. Both fun. Tie-breaker is looks. Brian Warner is an ugly abusive sumunabitch whereas Robert Cummings is a friendly-looking horror fan.

WZ

Politely?

I have a "Music..." equivalent of The Berlin Wall up between White Zombie and Rob Zombie.

Not that I dislike one, and enjoy the other. Just that one is squarely the work of the band in question and one ain't.

I hadn’t liked a thing that Marilyn Manson ever did, and I’m not going to start to now.

White Zombie/Rob Zombie takes this, to whichever is being referred.

jfv wrote: Mon Dec 12, 2022 4:03 pm I hadn’t liked a thing that Marilyn Manson ever did, and I’m not going to start to now.

White Zombie/Rob Zombie takes this, to whichever is being referred.

That's probably on you more than it is on him though...

Rob Zombie sucks but he's better than Marilyn Manson. Alice Cooper destroys these hacks.

numberthirty wrote: Mon Dec 12, 2022 4:08 pm

jfv wrote: Mon Dec 12, 2022 4:03 pm I hadn’t liked a thing that Marilyn Manson ever did, and I’m not going to start to now.

White Zombie/Rob Zombie takes this, to whichever is being referred.

That's probably on you more than it is on him though...

It is a personal opinion, so, yes, it's on me.

I hate everything Marlyn Manson has done, and it’s definitely Manson’s fault. Not on me. On him.

The main reason I hate it all is that it all sucks, but there are other reasons too. For example, it’s also try-hard horseshit. Also, it’s a bunch of bullshit that sucks, come on.

Wood Goblin wrote: Mon Dec 12, 2022 4:53 pm The main reason I hate it all is that it all sucks, but there are other reasons too. For example, it’s also try-hard horseshit. Also, it’s a bunch of bullshit that sucks, come on.

Yeah, I thought he sucked shit before Evan Rachel Wood's documentary. Wimpy grid-aligned glam rock, real piss-your-parents-off stuff..

White Zombie isn't great but fun enough in small doses. Rob Zombie solo sounds like something concocted out of Idiocracy but still less embarrassing than Marylin Manson.

Wood Goblin wrote: Mon Dec 12, 2022 4:53 pm
The main reason I hate it all is that it all sucks, but there are other reasons too. For example, it’s also try-hard horseshit. Also, it’s a bunch of bullshit that sucks, come on.

Someone better make this their new signature asap.