buzzsaw wrote:

Rimbaud III wrote:

buzzsaw wrote:

Rimbaud III wrote:I'm not seeing any love for Chilean wines here. You're all obviously twats.

THIS is my current fave.

Oh, I am sorry I thought the name of this thread indicated a discussion on the United States' alleged watering of their wine!
I must have accidently posted on the "Tell me what fad wine you like" thread.
my apologies sir. shit
Back to the subject at hand.

No no! MY apologies, Lady Fuck.

You know, there are nicer ways of telling people not to divert threads. But judging by the general tone of your posts, I'll hazard that you're not in a particularly nice mood.

My father gets this way when his piles flare up.

my apologies, friend!
I usually overreact when called a "twat"
call it a character flaw! if you knew me personally, you would know my poking is all in good fun. I debate with a little too much passion sometimes.

I don't seriously think that the people posting on this thread are twats! Hell, I actually like some of you!

I retract my facetious comments in the light of your apology.

Sorry!

As you were...

Mazec wrote:I see none of you connoisseurs have made a mention of prized Moravian wines such as the Veltllínske zelené, the Rulandské bílé, nor of the classic Muller Thurgau. The sought-after Hungarian Tokaj has been similarly neglected.

Not by I. Tokaji is one of my favorite drinks...a sweet ambrosia nectar from the very teats of Aphrodite herself. I've had both 5 and 6 putyonyos aszu varieties...cannot remember the vinter's names. Delicious, though not recommended for those who don't like a dessert wine.

I also love Alsatian whites. Gewurstraminer and Pinot Gris are my favorites...generally can't go wrong with the Trimbach stuff , though I've had better - when someone else is buying.

I can't drink reds, unfortunately. The tannins give me nasty motherfucker headaches. Otherwise I'd be drinking more Boujelais and Chianti. Damn wuss body of mine....

this is pretty decent wine- from arizona (!)...its maynard james keenan's winery...(the singer from tool/a perfect circle)...
http://www.caduceus.org/

Roman Sokal wrote:this is pretty decent wine- from arizona (!)...its maynard james keenan's winery...(the singer from tool/a perfect circle)...
http://www.caduceus.org/

Mr. Keenan ought to forgo both the musical and oenological endeavors.

thank you for your wine california

Isn't the overall taste what's most important. I mean a single malt
(unless it's cask strength) is watered down and no-one say's anything
about that.

Still personally I prefer European wines, France, Italy, Spain, Hungary
and also Czech purely because they taste better to me than the imported
New World ones as someone said, the best remain on home turf.

My personal fave is this from Oddbins. Beauuuutiful.



I think they're on 2004 at the mo, but if you can find a 2003, go for it.

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I've found New Mexican wines tend to be pretty good, and they have an interesting variety. They're worth checking out if you come across them. They have some of the best affordable white wines and blends I've tried, actually, and I don't normally like whites and blends because they tend to just not be that good unless you shell out a lot of money. NM wineries tend to be pretty small, but they're numerous. The winery industry there is one of that state's more redeeming qualities, seeing that being known as a nuclear landfill/Mexican drug pipeline/West Texas' emergency water supply/locale of E.T.'s lost weekend isn't really anything to brag about.

I like Cali wines alright, and they're my go-to when I have to buy wine for dinner parties or cooking. But my preference for my own palette is for French or other imported dry red wines. I don't drink very much at all, but I know a bit about wine and definitely have a preference. My favorite is Cotes-du-Rhones (esp. Andre Brunel). I prefer it as an after-dinner/end-of-the-day drink with dark chocolate, caramel, or other none fruity desserts or sweets. With a meal I prefer Cabernet, Pinot Noir or Chianti, even with lighter fare.

I have to admit that I'm just not crazy about the Aussie or NZ wines I've tried. They're pretty popular, probably because you can get them cheap in the US, but I haven't tried one that I found impressive.

joelb wrote:I'll take the bourgeois tag and run with it-as usual, categorical declarations of subjective quality are running amok.

I agree that labelling wine drinking as bourgeois is very subjective. However, I must insist (subjectively, of course) that while it may be appropriate for other countries, as far as America goes, wine just isn't bourgeois. In the US, wine can be old money, new money, yuppy, but not quite bourgeois. There's a subtle distinction. Pretty much for the past century, bourbon, scotch and assorted mixed drinks like Bloody Mary's, Martinis, Gibsons, Manhattans, etc, have been America's bourgeois drinks. Wine is still considered creditably upscale as well as very old world to Americans - it connotes a heritage Americans don't have and wish they had, yet at the same time, we find it find intimidating, which stirs our insecurities and resentments. Overall, Americans are very ambivalent about wine, and unlike like real bourgeoisie, we just can't hide it very well. We do a much better job keeping up appearances with a Martini or a bourbon on the rocks in our hand.

I think a lot of California wine (argentina and australia too) have gotten world class. A number of French wine companies make wine in the US. I don't think they export much this I think in part is due to the fact that to export american wine to places like France would be silly as they have plenty of good inexpencive wines there and they would cost more due to the duties and shipping.

In the US on the other hand the domestic wine market is growing all the time and so most is sold here. Of course it is much cheaper to get california wine in california due to state taxes. But on the whole domestic wine is cheaper than imported.

Wines like Yellowtail I think are BBQ cookout party wines where you the volume of Bev's is more important than the ultimate quality (but are not the Gallo Jug). At a BBQ I don't see people complaining on wine quality but they do complain that I bought 16oz buds as opposed to 40s.

I think wine is being embraced across the board in america. Especially with food. Restruants and bars now have decient wine by the glass as they are selling a lot of it. I know bars that are not yuppy but have a somillier to make sure they have a good wine selection. Especially for people who are meeting and going to dinner who want a light drink but to not want to taint the pallate with a bucket of PBR (Paspt Blue Ribbon).

second to last wrote:I've found New Mexican wines tend to be pretty good, and they have an interesting variety.

Gruet, in New Mexico, makes sparkling wines that are a great deal for about $10-$20.