Let's forget all about this,shake hands and make up.

steve wrote:My reason for tweaking you into posting something more thoughtful than your glib "here's how it works" post is that people come to messageboards like this for information, and when enough people tell them "this is the way it is," they could be forgiven for thinking it to be true, and they might act on it.

I was not intending to come off as an authoritative "glib" pundit. I was merely sharing an experience. I don't think I did, and certainly did not intend, to say that "this is how it is". You interpreted that on your own, and questioned my integrity by asking if I was "making the whole thing up". That is a pure and complete inaccuracy, so quit trying to spin it another way.

Was this a thread on how the record industry works? No. It was started about a book by a record producer. If you think I am somehow trying to mislead today's youth, you are completely wrong.

And here's another example of where you have made an incorrect interpretation:

steve wrote:...so, sort of makng it up, and sort of drawing conclusions based on a conversation with the guy who did something for DeBarge whose name you don't remember.

Not just a conversation. This was an entertainment lawyer who represented those acts, and represented us as well. He was in a position to "shop" our demo to the right people at the labels, as he had the contacts. People who were more comfortable working with him than personal managers of bands that were the flavor of the month. Don't try to trivialize the point by the crappiness of his other clients and use the words "sort of". It is a fact, not "sort of" a fact. Forgive me for not remembering his name after 22 years. I did look for the documentation so that I could slam-dunk your argument into oblivion and make you look as foolish as you are trying to make me look, but I just don't have the records anymore.

The thing that strikes me is that there was no guarantee that these guys were going to do anything. The "had it not been for x happening, they would have beaten Nirvana to the punch" story is tired.
In fact, the odds are against it. So what did he get screwed out of? More that like 15% of nothing.

Nirvana were Nirvana and it's impossible to speculate as to whom would have been the paradigm shifting band had they not existed. I guess, like Hitler, the arguement that the time and circumstance was right for it to happen, and someone would have filed the shoes. However, my guess is that it wouldn't have been "Pennywhistle."

-A

alex maiolo wrote:The thing that strikes me is that there was no guarantee that these guys were going to do anything. The "had it not been for x happening, they would have beaten Nirvana to the punch" story is tired.
In fact, the odds are against it. So what did he get screwed out of? More that like 15% of nothing.

Nirvana were Nirvana and it's impossible to speculate as to whom would have been the paradigm shifting band had they not existed. I guess, like Hitler, the arguement that the time and circumstance was right for it to happen, and someone would have filed the shoes. However, my guess is that it wouldn't have been "Pennywhistle."

-A

You just "Hitlered" (what was that word?) a thread that mentioned Bryan Adams.

Pure L wrote:

alex maiolo wrote:The thing that strikes me is that there was no guarantee that these guys were going to do anything. The "had it not been for x happening, they would have beaten Nirvana to the punch" story is tired.
In fact, the odds are against it. So what did he get screwed out of? More that like 15% of nothing.

Nirvana were Nirvana and it's impossible to speculate as to whom would have been the paradigm shifting band had they not existed. I guess, like Hitler, the arguement that the time and circumstance was right for it to happen, and someone would have filed the shoes. However, my guess is that it wouldn't have been "Pennywhistle."

-A

You just "Hitlered" (what was that word?) a thread that mentioned Bryan Adams.

If the Nazis had won, this is exactly what all those Hitler youths would've grown up to look like:

Pure L wrote:

alex maiolo wrote:Nirvana were Nirvana and it's impossible to speculate as to whom would have been the paradigm shifting band had they not existed. I guess, like Hitler, the arguement that the time and circumstance was right for it to happen, and someone would have filed the shoes. However, my guess is that it wouldn't have been "Pennywhistle."

-A

You just "Hitlered" (what was that word?) a thread that mentioned Bryan Adams.

Dude, I never pull the Hitler card - as in "that guy is as bad as Hitler."
I agree with historians who say that even if the monorchid madman of Austria had never been born, someone probably would have stepped in, however.

-A

PS - Bryan Adams might just be as bad as Hitler though. So when do we attack Canada?

I got my first slave gypsy
Bought him at the five and dime
I beat him 'til my fingers bled,
It was the summer of '69.

Me and the others from the Youth camp
Started our own marching squad
Heinrich quit and Franz was sent to Stuttgart
We couldn't goosestep; we could only plod

Oh but when we burned those books
I felt like it would last for ever
And when I touched your straight blonde hair
I knew that it was now or never

Those were the best days of my life

Oh yeah.

= Justin

Justin from Queens wrote:It was the summer of '69.

Minor correction: It was the summer of '39.

Justin from Queens wrote:I got my first slave gypsy
Bought him at the five and dime
I beat him 'til my fingers bled,
It was the summer of '69.

Me and the others from the Youth camp
Started our own marching squad
Heinrich quit and Franz was sent to Stuttgart
We couldn't goosestep; we could only plod

Oh but when we burned those books
I felt like it would last for ever
And when I touched your straight blonde hair
I knew that it was now or never

Those were the best days of my life

Oh yeah.

= Justin

Everything I do - I do it to jews

the last 3 posts made me laugh.