John George Peppers wrote:It's just Im more comfortable eating a medium rare cow patty with bacon and a large helping of dairy on top.

And yet you clearly feel threatened by the concept of vegan-ism/vegetarianism. Why else would it be an issue you feel worthy of discussion?

Unless I am mistaken, nobody here (and probably elsewhere) has suggested that you stop eating meat.

In my not inconsiderable experience relating to being/not being a vegetarian, it's meat eaters who are far, far more likely to rant endlessly to the point of extreme tedium about the rights and wrongs of meat-eating.

I have never, in my entire life been the target of a vegetarian's food-related ranting. I have on many, many occasions (this being one) witnessed meat-eaters whining about the wrongs of other's (vegetarians') diets.

sunlore wrote:

numberthirty wrote:As for friends, that's just a dumb point to try to make. If you throw a dog a piece of bacon, it doesn't come up with some "Whoa buddy, pigs are my friends." bit. The bacon gets eaten.

I take it similar considerations have led you to always sniff a stranger's pooper before you start humping his leg?

It's only right and natural.

Hang around for a few minutes more and somebody will start claiming that their puny canine teeth are a clear sign from God that humans should eat meat.

It can only ever be a matter of time.

Adam CR wrote:a few minutes more and somebody will start claiming that their canine teeth are a clear sign from God that humans should eat meat.

Canine teeth, incisors, pre molars, and molars are a clear sign from the divine almighty that humans should eat meat. Wisdom teeth are a sign that we should sometimes pull out our teeth voluntarily to give room for our meat eating teeth.

John George Peppers wrote:Any vegetarian/vegan will tell you that the worst part of vegan-ism/vegetarianism is the endless procession of predictable, reactionary dullards lining up of berate you on your food-related choices as if it has anything whatsoever to do with them.

Yes.

numberthirty wrote:As for animals being our friends, take one of these little vegans out to see a lion in the wild and see just how friendly we all are.

Alright then, go and eat a fucking lion..!

all of you should stop eating meat, too.



edit: i wouldn't try to raise my child vegan as i really don't see much sense in it and (it was said before) it would be nearly impossible why to explain to my kid why he isn't allowed to eat ice cream with the rest of the class.
as for vegetarian, i would have to make some research first.

Adam CR wrote:

sunlore wrote:

numberthirty wrote:As for friends, that's just a dumb point to try to make. If you throw a dog a piece of bacon, it doesn't come up with some "Whoa buddy, pigs are my friends." bit. The bacon gets eaten.

I take it similar considerations have led you to always sniff a stranger's pooper before you start humping his leg?

It's only right and natural.

Hang around for a few minutes more and somebody will start claiming that their puny canine teeth are a clear sign from God that humans should eat meat.

It can only ever be a matter of time.

I'm not trying to say anything along that line. What I was getting at is simple. Once you take man out of the picture, meat either gets eaten as a part of the course of things or it doesn't. Does that mean meat being eaten is a part of the natural course of things? I'd say maybe. As for friends, I stand by that the point is just dumb. Can animals and humans be friends? Sure. Does that mean we are a lions friend if it's hungry? Not always.

I did notice there was no mention of vegan belief-based child abuse...

Our canines evolved to hack our way through undercooked chick peas. The evidence is right there in the fossil record.

I'm not convinced that children should necessarily be raised as carnivores in the interests of social inclusiveness - the same argument could easily be used to raise them as racists or homophobes or whatever. However, protein is the key issue here. Children grow in spurts, and need nutrition fast when this happens. I can remember getting horrendous pains in my legs when my body decided to grow in inch or two in a month. I also remember having to eat like a horse to keep up.

I've known several vegans, and more who made themselves ill playing with the notion. With a vegan diet, you've got to be bang on the money to get it right. If you couple this with the pressure and strain of raising young, this sounds like a recipe for disaster We didn't evolve this way, especially in temperate climates where, historically anyways, concentrated proteins have been key to our continued survival (I come from a small island on the outskirts of the artic circle where human life would not have been viable had it not been for mutton and fish). But we've moved on as a species and have chains of supply which can get whatever foodstuffs we desire to us when we want them. Whether they're what we need, or whether we can construct a viable diet out of them is anyone's guess.

I don't think that meat is the only answer, but if you've got a skinny child, who's grown six inches in the last six months, has aching limbs and is always hungry- scramble them some fucking eggs for fuck's sake. Don't be a dick.

numberthirty wrote:I did notice there was no mention of vegan belief-based child abuse...

I'm sure you have uncovered one of the great injustices in the society today. I'm sure it far outnumbers the amount of little fat-asses who take their lunch money out to the snackbar every day. Hell, if shit food is what they want, shit food is what they're gonna get.

Let the kids be kids.

I'm veggie, but should I be blessed with kids I won't be raising them strictly vegetarian; they won't get meat in my house but I won't expect them to not eat it at friend's houses, at school, etc, should they want to. Although I will encourage them to think ethically about food, ultimately it should be their choice.

sunlore wrote:

numberthirty wrote:I did notice there was no mention of vegan belief-based child abuse...

I'm sure you have uncovered one of the great injustices in the society today. I'm sure it far outnumbers the amount of little fat-asses who take their lunch money out to the snackbar every day. Hell, if shit food is what they want, shit food is what they're gonna get.

Let the kids be kids.

Actually, I think it's a big enough injustice that children in poor countries starve. If the reason your kids are starving is that you don't believe eating meat and dairy is right, that just messed up on a whole different level. Think about it, the woman in the video is talking about compassion. Where is the compassion in little kids being underfed becuase of what the kid's parents believe?

In short, the little porker will live to maybe see the errors of his folks ways. The kid who's starving may not.