"Its the same thing people eat...just veganized!" is my favorite quote from that video.

Vegan=hipster dufus status symbol. I dont know who these folks in the video are trying to fool but I have never met a healthy vegan. Always sick. Always tired. Always pasty white.

Dont get me wrong im all for a healthy well balanced diet and being careful what you put in your system regarding pesticides and such, but the fact remains animals eat other animals. We are animals.

i'm not vegan or vegetarian. i like mock meats and rice milk though. i don't think "veganizing" something is a bad idea, i think it's a good idea, at least as an option.

i don't think meat-eaters, vegans or vegetarians should preach or mock people for their diets -- it's just annoying.

i don't think vegans i've met were necessarily unhealthy.

i also think total veganism (as in "no animal products of any kind") is impractical and that realistically it makes sense to practice with flexibility -- you don't have to be absolute to be creating some of the impact desired (ie, there isn't some bonus award given to the cows of the world if you never eat a product with kasene [spelling?]).

six acre, about the vegan hipster status thing -- that goes both ways. for a while veganism was a trend, now it's more like red meat and apathy. i remember flyering at the last drop (for non-philly people: coffee shop) for a show with vegan food and they were like "*scoff* vegan? please" which is ridiculous, because

1 - this is the crowd that a year earlier was surely packing gianna's grille (for non-philly people: place that sells vegan cheese steaks and pizza), but it went out of style.
2 - just because you eat meat doesn't mean you can't eat vegan food.

six acre lake wrote:Vegan=hipster dufus status symbol. I dont know who these folks in the video are trying to fool but I have never met a healthy vegan. Always sick. Always tired. Always pasty white.

Dont get me wrong im all for a healthy well balanced diet and being careful what you put in your system regarding pesticides and such, but the fact remains animals eat other animals. We are animals.

Depends if you consider yourself an animal. I don't. Hence, I use "animals" as a derogatry term when referring to a group of people who act in an inhumane way.

I'm a vegan. I smoke, I hardly ever exercise and I live in a house where if we want to eat, we have to scrape the mould off the plates to wash them. I'm pretty much never ill, or tired, and I'd say I tan pretty well given half a chance.

mr.arrison wrote:people like you

I rest my case

Skronk wrote:don't give me shit about my veggie-burger.

John George Peppers wrote:Oh, I'll give you shit. If your going to green light a veggie-burger at a restaurant or at a BBQ my advice to you is to eat a fucking Salad!! Tofu? Is that your comeback? Have it on the side with some Ponzu sauce..It's delicious. If your reply is you like the taste???? Again, splurge once in a while and just have a fucking burger.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. The only people that feel threatened by a damn diet is a meat eater. I tell you what, you give me an an uncooked block of tofu, I'll form it into a ball and throw it back at you.

John George Peppers wrote:I happen to like both Salads and tofu too. However, i'm not going to convince myself it should be in Burger form. Example: On the other side.... It would be like a meat eater asking for a Hamburger Salad with extra meat and no salad.

Who's convincing who? I can't help that a veggie-burger is in burger form, and I couldn't care less.

Veggie burgers kinda tie in with the social acceptance thing. Here is a vegetarian food, made in a traditional, common form. It doesn't look like mung beans or lentils in a pasty, colourless sludge. It's also convenient. What's the problem with it?

mr.arrison wrote:
As a side note: I don't know why non-vegetarians always feel threatened by vegetarians and vegans. I've never commented shit in 20 years of being a vegetarian to a carnivore unless asked- nor do I have problem with humans eating meat. But I always get shit from meat-eaters, especially ones 50+ years old. Always. Never fails.

you're in the minority, really. most, ie, more than 50% of the vegetarians i KNOW have at least made faces and at most said something to me about my choice in diet. it's quite childish actually.

Adam CR wrote:

mr.arrison wrote:As a side note: I don't know why non-vegetarians always feel threatened by vegetarians and vegans.

Because it represents the possibility of individual political action, and conscious self-denial for the sake of the betterment of others (animals in this case). This is not a concept that many are comfortable with.

i highly doubt that has anything to do with it, nice projection though. more like personal insecurity at the unknown.

in addition, it's not self-denial if they don't want to eat meat, is it? it's only denial if they want to eat it but don't.

Or if they don't want to eat it, but do. I know a lot of people who do this.

enframed wrote:you're in the minority, really. most, ie, more than 50% of the vegetarians i KNOW have at least made faces and at most said something to me about my choice in diet. it's quite childish actually.

My roommate used to live with a couple, the wife of which is a militant animal-rights vegan (i say this having tons of great, non-judgmental vegetarian/vegan friends who are great cooks--this girl was seriously self-righteous vegan and couldn't help make snide comments at her onmivorous friends). We all went up to my roommate's uncle's cabin one weekend in Upper Michigan, and his uncle had left him some venison meatloaf for us to eat. Killed in the neighborhood of his cabin, cleaned, processed and packaged locally. She was warned beforehand that we'd be eating venison while deer were wandering around the cabin outside. She still insisted on coming along to enjoy the weekend and still nearly had a meltdown. "You don't know where that meat's been! You don't know what they do to it when they process it!" Um, actually, we DO know...it grew up in the area and was processed locally. You couldn't have eaten more ethically prepared meat unless the tissue were cloned in a lab and grew on a rack somewhere.

She's the exception, though, to the majority of vegetarian/vegans that i know.

What i don't understand is the person who is so slaved to meat consumption that if there isn't a slice of meat in every meal, they don't feel like they ate a complete lunch or dinner. Unsuprisingly in Wisconsin, i know a number of people in my family like this. They won't even LOOK at a vegetarian part of the menu if they're eating out. Me, i eat what tastes good. Am i hungry for a black bean burritto from the vegetarian co-op two blocks down? Done. Hungry for a BLT from Fuel Cafe? Hook me up.