We left Pitchfork's Friday night show one song into SY's encore in a (failed) attempt to get to Logan Square so that I could visit an old buddy before catching the 12:30 train from Ogilvie. Consequently, we beat the crowd and my friend and I found ourselves taxi hunting in no-man's land. It quickly became apparent that we weren't in Kansas anymore, and as we approached a small group that looked like they were up to no good, I knew we might be in for trouble.

We were close enough that it would have been ridiculous to turn around, so we just kept walking. As soon as we passed them, one of the guys stood up from a stoop and started following us, totally invading my "personal space". I was sure I was about to be attacked, but I made a split-second decision to at least be facing the guy when he pulled his trick, and I turned around and walked backwards for a few seconds, just looking him in the eye. Almost immediately, he turned and started taking a diagonal path across the street, but when I faced forward again, he started back towards us once more. Luckily, we were approaching a bar where a lot of people were hanging out, and the guy ended up turning around and heading back the way we'd come from.

I am NOT a city creature. I like the city, but I also know that with my limited experience in urban areas, I am ill-equipped to deal with many of their hazards. The only things that I assume may have saved us from some serious shit that night were our rapid and lucky arrival at a public place, the fact that there were two of us to his one, and the fact that I'm not exactly a small guy. In reality, I'm pretty sure the latter two reasons would have been null and void if he had had any sort of weapon on him. My dad lived in the city his whole life, drove a cab in law school, and said that he was constantly made to feel naive by the shit that he saw all the time. Once, when he was walking with three of his friends, some guy walked up at them while they were waiting to cross a street and pushed a razor against my dad's friend's forearm. Needless to say, the group of friends coughed up their valuables. That's a pretty tame selection from the plethora of stories he's told me, but it just goes to show that very few people are excited about the prospect of getting hurt, even at the expense of worldly goods.

You just don't fuck around with shit that you're totally unfamiliar with. I was blown away by Nerblybears comments. We all say stupid shit, but it's important to know when to admit that you were wrong.

Please don't try to pull a knife on a mugger.

NerblyBear wrote:I flushed him out.

Sure you did Nerb.

Whistle blower, that's what you are.

If the consensus seems to be that it's a bad idea to carry a knife, then I'll submit to it. I've heard good arguments. Honestly, I've just started thinking about this issue, because it is a serious one, and I'm open to refutation.

But answer me this:

Why does anyone carry either a gun or a knife for self-protection if it's supposedly so self-evidently a bad idea? I mean, if that were the case, then why do so many people choose that route? It's obvious why criminals carry weapons, but what about the rest of us?

If it's so obviously a ludicrous idea, then why do so many people buy it? Are they all just fools?

Isabelle Gall wrote:Sure you did Nerb.

Whistle blower, that's what you are.

Look, I did the leg work to figure out the truth about 9/11 conspiracy theories. I spent a couple of days researching it exhaustively. I feel pretty proud about that episode. The happiest part about that whole fiasco was when I realized that I'd been an idiot to succumb to the theories, and I had to face myself for having been a sucker.

Anyone who disagrees with me about 9/11 is welcome to contradict me publicly, but it hasn't been done, and I don't foresee that it will be done.

I completely demolished all of his arguments, and I hope that the pernicious error has been shown up to all interested people. He hasn't shown his face on this forum in a week or two, so I'm assuming that he's realized that he was wrong. And that's a good thing, too. It's always good when an otherwise smart person realizes that he's in error about something.

So it's actually the case that I helped Clocker Bob out by helping to rid him of his paranoia, while all of these idiots who keep urging me to be friendly and to sit on the fence actually harm him by covering up the issue. Ironic, that.

If you haven't done any research, and you're not interested in the issue, then I'm not interested in peanut-gallery carpings.

NerblyBear...you are insane. I am so sick of your bullshit, and your "conquering" of Clocker Bob has pissed me off to the point where I want to call you out. By the end of your "feud" no one was listening to either one of you. Clocker Bob's method of arguing with people was incredibly flawed, but at least he was fucking brilliant. Reasons you are a nutbar:

1) Moving to Atlanta...granted, the South seems to be what you are familiar with...but why wouldn't you get away if you're so fucking wordly? I suspect that the board is probably right that you have rich-ass parents and a sheltered upbringing. Where do they live? Probably close as hell, no? Planet Florida is no place to learn about the ways of the world. You've done some traveling...why didn't you get the fuck out??

2) The thought has crossed my mind..."what if I just had a fucking gun or something?"...upon slightly harder thought, this idea is quickly abandoned.

3) If this guy isn't prepared to actually mug you, I'm sure you have a fucking cell phone...if on the off chance he seems like a pussy, you can call the cops and send him to jail for like 4 years...maybe for like a million years if imaginary mugger lives in Atlanta and is black. I could've been mugged on Friday night after Slint, but luckily I was with JamLifeIntoDeath and am familiar with the territory of not getting fucked over in the city...if it's a good mugger, you won't even have a clue you're getting mugged until you're already trapped by a razor, a knife, a rock in the back of the fucking head.

4) As the great Richard Pryor once said in the context of the situation in debate above..."RUN!" To repeat: "RUN!!"

"Why don't you RUN!?!?!"

5) The board doesn't like you. Sorry. People with not a mean bone in their body have described you as "scary" and "insane." Why do you continue to dig this hole for yourself?

I feel badly for you. You remind me of myself at like 16 or 17...troubled...perhaps not yet able to deal with a long series of hard knocks? I'm sure you're a smart, reasonable guy in real life...a person I might even like...but the board has served as a window into your fucking soul. Obsessive, eager to redeem yourself, shortsighted, ill-informed.

Has it ever occured to you not to believe everything that you read? Just because some other website refutes CB's claims...and just because CB makes a claim...doesn't mean that either one of those sources is fully right or wrong. I will go on record as saying that at the very least CB/RR definitely did enough to cast an enormous shadow of doubt on the official 9/11 story. Did you not see the video of WTC 7 still standing in the background of a BBC report that claimed that the building had collapsed?? And there is so much more evidence pointing to a massive cover up...governments have been coming up with bullshit reasons to go to war since the beginning of civilization...now we just have a hyperactive media to provide a ridiculous wealth of information to catch the powers that be in the act...while the mainstream media is still just as dumb and complacent as it has been through the course of history. Remember the Maine, history boy? I refuse to debate you on 9/11 so don't even start...you'll just continue to dig that hole.


It bothers me to write all this stuff because now I look like a jerk just for taking the time to bother with you, but you should really consider just stopping for a while. The best advice I can give to you? Move to another fucking country...teach English in Paraguay or something...reduce yourself to your most basic elements and see what you're fucking made of starting from scratch.

Additionally, you should retire your name and come back as someone new when you are able to step outside of yourself and examine your actions properly. A little humility would go a long way with you...you and RR/CB brought out the worst in each other...as well as the board...and myself.

Woah! What up, Pants? Why aren't we hanging out right now?

Oh yeah, we're exhausted.

Minotaur, again, if you're interested in doing the research and mounting a cogent argument about anything related to 9/11, you're welcome to it. I even encourage it. If you don't want to do that, then I feel comfortable in dismissing anything you have to say about it.

All of the people who say, "You can't have figured out the truth about 9/11 in two days while Clocker Bob ostensibly couldn't have figured it out in five years," are missing the fact that Clocker Bob is insane and is incapable of following basic reasoning rules. I'm not a genius, but it doesn't take genius to find out the truth about a non-issue like 9/11 Truth.

And I do disregard every idiot, like Minotaur, who can't refrain from insulting me instead of actually doing the hard research himself.

The news story that supposedly featured WTC7 standing in the background actually features no such thing. It shows a tiny sliver of a building, the actual name of which no one has been able to prove is "WTC7".

You're missing the point. It's not the idea of carrying a weapon that's ludacris, but rather the idea of carrying and intending to use a weapon that you have no business either carrying or using. If you're, say, the great great great grandson of Wild Bill Hickock or something and have somehow inherited his gunslinging prowess, by all means feel free to swagger through the projects with your pistol at the ready.

The truth is, weapons in the hands of amateurs (or [i]anything[i] in the hands of a moron) cause more serious problems in a shorter time than they could ever be said to solve. If you're being mugged, odds are good that your assailant has mugged before and is good at it. How could you ever expect to win out against someone who is very likely to be proficient with whatever weapon he/she is using?

I'm pretty sure that if it was me, I'd cooperate, try not to piss the fucker off or make things worse, hope it was over quickly, and cut my losses.

NerblyBear wrote:Minotaur, again, if you're interested in doing the research and mounting a cogent argument about anything related to 9/11, you're welcome to it. I even encourage it. If you don't want to do that, then I feel comfortable in dismissing anything you have to say about it.

And I do so.

Dude...there are some very simple arguments that make sense when it comes to a 9/11 cover up...you probably know what they are...think about them a little bit...Jesus Christ.

The point is, for you to be so sure of the "truth" is such fucking folly...the same is true of Clocker Bob...especially when it came to non-9/11 matters in the case of RR. I know what I'm talking about, and I'm done here.

I'm nominating you for the biggest douche in the universe award.





Also, JamLife is an Eagle Scout. That's tough to argue with...he throws sharp objects at shit!

One last thing...if I'm in a bad neighborhood, I always take my ATM card and license out of my wallet, and put them in the other pocket (sometimes with a little bit of cash). Makes losing a wallet and probably...$100 tops a not very big deal at all, no?

You. douche.

(And watch the YouTube clip...the building is clearly there during the report).