itchy wrote:don't take offense, don't post rude replies without any backing. it just further proves how too many people post on these boards in ignorant and opinionated blindness.

Take your own advice, this is the section of the forum specifically dedicated to opinions. Do you think that your musical training gives you some sort of advantageous platform for mucial critique?

By the way, Radiohead is crap.

if you've ever read an interview with radiohead where they discuss their documentary, they always express their negative feelings towards the way they were portrayed. at the time tom was supposedly in a state of depression, which would explain the (and yes, i agree with this) whining. i know i wouldn't want someone filming me when i was depressed. it would show me to be completely different than if i was in my normal emotional state. anyways, i personally enjoy radiohead, but i could see why some people wouldn't.

Unclaimed wrote:if you've ever read an interview with radiohead where they discuss their documentary, they always express their negative feelings towards the way they were portrayed. at the time tom was supposedly in a state of depression, which would explain the (and yes, i agree with this) whining. i know i wouldn't want someone filming me when i was depressed. it would show me to be completely different than if i was in my normal emotional state. anyways, i personally enjoy radiohead, but i could see why some people wouldn't.

Ahh, this is a very good point. I was definately too quick to judge. Actually, I am very aware of the exploitive element of documentary film making, and in fact recently did a "mock" documentary that specifically dealt with this very topic. The truth of the matter is that a filmaker has hundreds of hours of footage to choose from, a muscial soundtrack to sway the veiwers' emotions and unlimited editing capabilities to help portray his own opinions of his subject material. Now I feel duped, although it could still be possible that York is total pre-maddona.

mike

Take your own advice, this is the section of the forum specifically dedicated to opinions.

i have no problem with opinions, and i never said i did. my only problem is with uninformed opinions.

Do you think that your musical training gives you some sort of advantageous platform for mucial critique?

to some degree, yes. not to say that untrained opinions are worthless, they just need to be educated. academic musical training is not for the hell of it. it serves a purpose and will give you insight unattainable elsewhere.

You also can't go back once you've had classical training. Sometimes hearing things with fresh ears is much more fruitful than trying to educate people about stuff that only you care about. Afterall, music is for enjoyment. I know a handful of people who have adctually admitted to wishing they never had classical training because it makes it more into a science rather than an art. It's like when you find out how a magic trick is done, it suddenly isn't magic anymore.

academic musical training is not for the hell of it. it serves a purpose and will give you insight unattainable elsewhere.

the few people i know who have serious compositional and theoretical chops--like, advanced degree level chops--are pretty self-effacing about music, probably because they have a feel for how little they know

there's no substitute for listening intently, and listening intently is a fine substitute for a minor in music performance

most people would absolutely hate - yes, you included - 20th century post-modernism in classical music. but post-modernism is being more and more frequently involved in the popular media of today.

the examples you have provided are trivial exactly b/c postmodernism isn't even a 'thing' anymore. it's woven into our cultural fabric. there's as much postmodernism in a mountain dew ad as there is in any pop lyric.

what radiohead does is fine. i don't have any major problems with them. but there's nothing tremendously new about it in the pop music arena. you don't have to go to boulez or xenakis or whomever to find antecedents for what they are doing. you just have to look outside the current top 100 over the last 20 years.

for people who are as forward-looking or more so, you can look within the top 100 today, if you are feelin' lazy. missy elliott is as innovative as radiohead, if not more so.

michaeltheangryrussian wrote:York is total pre-maddona.

I believe the word you're looking for is "primadonna", unless you were trying to say that Thom Yorke wants to make pop music like it was 1979.

itchy wrote:not to say that untrained opinions are worthless, they just need to be educated. academic musical training is not for the hell of it. it serves a purpose and will give you insight unattainable elsewhere.

What does schooling have to do with music?

I went to school for music composition and as I type this, I'm an office administrator and not-entirely-unknown musician. How has analysing Stockhausen helped me to achieve these goals?

Much was made of The Zombies' O-levels back in the day - did they make "smart music"?

I believe the word you're looking for is "primadonna", unless you were trying to say that Thom Yorke wants to make pop music like it was 1979.

Oh dear. I would be lying if I were to say that I spelled it that way to illustrate double-meaning by means of a play on words. I am totally embarassed but shit happens. I have nothing more to say. I will now refrain from using an emoticon.

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