Syd left the band with two more albums worth of good material rattling around his ragged noodle; it was the others who were left stuck in a cave with the small animals and no ideas. The didn't seem like a band enjoying their artistic freedom at that time, more like lost, flailing around, not knowing what to do before they had their dadrock breakthrough.

+1 to Voivod for doing a cover of Astronomy Domine. SWYW about bands doing Floyd covers, and it's largely correct, and maybe they took out much of the psychedelic nuance and whimsy to keep it under six minutes, but of ALL the songs to cover, they picked the right one. I imagine it was an on-ramp for a lot of like minded metalheads to dive into the early Floyd back catalog.

jason from volo wrote: Sun Dec 12, 2021 10:32 pm

For those of you who like "Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving with a Pict", I won't stop you from doing so.

Good,because you'd need a time machine, and then have to do god knows what to 11 or 12 year old me stop that joy. I think what you aren't catching is that, the "JOY" . It is possible to do this without artifice, Irony or pretense. That's what I hear on Ummagumma that I don't hear on the Final Cut.

PASTA wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:16 am Good,because you'd need a time machine, and then have to do god knows what to 11 or 12 year old me stop that joy. I think what you aren't catching is that, the "JOY" . It is possible to do this without artifice, Irony or pretense. That's what I hear on Ummagumma that I don't hear on the Final Cut.

Nicely put. Ummagumma is joyous, no question.

Anthony Flack wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 12:16 am Syd left the band with two more albums worth of good material rattling around his ragged noodle; it was the others who were left stuck in a cave with the small animals and no ideas. The didn't seem like a band enjoying their artistic freedom at that time, more like lost, flailing around, not knowing what to do before they had their dadrock breakthrough.

Yeah, I don't hear this at all in "Set The Controls.." or "Careful With That Axe, Eugene" or in "Atom Heart Mother".

I also think a fair bit of the Syd stuff has been redefined by hindsight. "Syd was a genius therefore "Bike" is brilliant," etc. Don't get me wrong, I love a lot of "The Madcap Laughs", and a fair bit of the Syd PF stuff, but I think this insistence that there were two sides, and one was great and the other shite, just feels invented retrospectively and reverse engineered.

I have a distinct memory of being in my early teens and realizing music nazis existed while listening to some blowhard, hardly a year my senior, wax poetic about how the best era of Pink Floyd was Barrett's. Pretty funny stuff, almost 30 years later.

Not crap. For all of the reasons and more listed above.

Dudley wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:42 am

I also think a fair bit of the Syd stuff has been redefined by hindsight. "Syd was a genius therefore "Bike" is brilliant," etc. Don't get me wrong, I love a lot of "The Madcap Laughs", and a fair bit of the Syd PF stuff, but I think this insistence that there were two sides, and one was great and the other shite, just feels invented retrospectively and reverse engineered.

I hear ya, BUT "Bike" is a fucking brilliant and fun song.

m3kcomp wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:06 am I have a distinct memory of being in my early teens and realizing music nazis existed while listening to some blowhard, hardly a year my senior, wax poetic about how the best era of Pink Floyd was Barrett's. Pretty funny stuff, almost 30 years later.

Not crap. For all of the reasons and more listed above.

Seven pages in and you Godwin'd it. For clarification, were early Pink Floyd nazis or just the people who like them?

Dad Rock is what I think when I think of Wilco.

jason from volo wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 12:53 pm I'd like to know exactly what "Dad Rock" is supposed to define.

Boring AOR stuff that boring dads listen to on the weekends? IDK. I don't think it can successfully be applied to Pink Floyd whatever its meaning.

I just don't care much for Wilco.