rsmurphy wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 4:42 pm I rarely reach for The Final Cut when I'm in a PF mood, but when I do it's "The Gunner's Dream," "Not Now John," and "Two Suns in the Sunset."

I always say it’s a bummer you have to listen most of the album before getting to Not Now John. The highlight of the record. Fuck all that.

Anthony Flack wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 3:56 pm Dadrock is an intergenerational term now so it's complex. It's probably more attitude than style. For my generation it would perhaps be exemplified by the Foo Fighters.

A certain conservatism I guess?

I think anxiety is common to both dadness and conservatism, and sublimated anxiety is not out of place in dadrock, but I also think Roger Waters is also probably too much of a political radical to ever be comfortable as a dadrock figure.

Dad rock is the rock music associated with any given dad’s reminiscence. It kind of implies that the dad peaked in high school and it’s what he listened to then. It also implies a sort of unsophisticated taste on dad’s part.

Pink Floyd from 1973 on are definitely relevant to this phenomenon. Maybe not as much so as Metallica, the rock of multiple generations of dads. Politics? It didn’t affect the dad in his prime of listening to them, if he was even aware, so it doesn’t affect his nostalgia.

Oh yeah, Metallica absolutely created a totem of dadrock when they released the black album.

Anthony Flack wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 1:46 pm a totem of dadrock

The Steve Miller Band: Greatest Hits

Johnny Doglands wrote: Wed Dec 08, 2021 10:41 am I wonder if I'm going to be on my own here, but I prefer the Syd Barrett era. I'm in it for the wierdness. DSOTM is the one everyone loves and to me it's the sound of a prog band gone pop. Not wierd pop anymore either. Disappointing.

Mason and Wright are/were okay, Waters can be a bit much but he's a good bass player...I think the problem for me is I don't like Gilmour. I can't put my finger on why exactly. Your common or garden musician of a certain age seems to worship the guy and I've never felt anything good towards him. He can play yes, but his playing and singing just doesn't grab me in any way, shape or form.

I'd still give them a solid NC though, for the bits I like.

I totally agree. Syd was not a consistent dude. I like his so stuff as well as PF stuff. I can see why folks wouldn’t like all or most of it, but I enjoy that even the good stuff often feels like it’s in danger of crashing. I also think some of the stuff that veers a little too close to being precious also sounds very different on live recordings. I wish we could have gotten more of that range in studio. For example, I really like the Matilda Mother song, but I’ve heard versions with a really driving rhythm guitar. I like the album version of that one enough to not miss that, but some of the other tracks might have benefited. I don’t know. I do like how disturbingly manic some of the songs get. I love the fuck out if the organ playing. I’ve never wanted to play like any psych rock widdly solo stuff, but I have often wished I could rock out those organ lines on guitar.

Similarly, but in a different way I like other early Pink Floyd stuff. Saucer Full of secrets sounds nice and disjointed. Love the bass riff on Let There Be More Light. I like how abrasive something like Corp. Clang sounds. And I really, really love Jugband Blues. Live stuff from this time sound cool. Gilmore is clearly a talented guitarist but is not yet being so slick as to piss me off.

From here it gets spotty. Several more albums have cool tracks here and there. I really like all of More. Live at Pompeii is good, about as much as I’m gonna like Gilmore. Then you get the stuff that might be fine and all, but classic rock radio just ruined. I liked Animals but I’ll probably never listen to it again.

biscuitdough wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 7:36 am
Dad rock is the rock music associated with any given dad’s reminiscence. It kind of implies that the dad peaked in high school and it’s what he listened to then. It also implies a sort of unsophisticated taste on dad’s part.

This is right. Dad rock absolutely has a nostalgia + stunted growth component. I feel bad for people (seems to be mostly men in this category) who peaked in HS and stopped enjoying/looking for new music. "Everything was better back in the day." Shows a developed lack of curiosity.

Fuck all those guys.

jason from volo wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 2:39 pm
I sort of resemble this remark, though I'm mostly stuck in '90s indie rock, not Floyd.

In my case, I don't think it was necessarily a lack of curiosity as much as it was other things that occupied my mind and time when I "grew up"... wife, job, kids, etc.

Regardless, I don't think that music is necessarily better than what's being released now; however, I certainly have an affinity for it.

I don't think it makes me a shitty person.

I would argue that there was an embarrassment of riches in the 90s - early aughts. I saw so many great bands with such frequency then that I assumed it would never change.

I don’t think that it is just a function of getting older or static tastes. There are still great records being released, but unless I live under a rock, it is nowhere near as prevalent.

It's one thing if people devote their lives to more important things and maybe have kind of basic music tastes (and art, and literature, etc.) as a result. The world would not function without those people.

But I think the 'dad rock' stuff is more directed at older dudes who make hour-long YT videos dissecting SRV guitar solos or whatever. Yeah, parts of Pink Floyd's catalog appeals to those types but who gives a shit.

This is getting further from Floyd, but the more I think about the dad rock thing it's fueled by some pretty obvious social dynamics. It's really a bourgeois vs. bohemian, patron of the arts vs. philistine, parent vs. nonparent, career driven vs. other goals. I think it's largely driven by people who's life changes (parenthood, career ambitions) make them feel a very real pull away from intellectualism and cultural engagement for lack of time and energy. If I'm trying to resist my life circumstances pull away from prioritizing the arts (I just finished a pop novel, but gaddamnit I'm reading Moby Dick now!) a term like dad rock is a line in the sand I can draw to convince myself I'm staying away from the gravity of everything uncool about being middle aged. Meanwhile dad rock as a music cannon, not a term, is an efficient way to feel engaged with something cool without having to investigate anything new.

Sorry. Back to Pompeii.

Yes, "Back to Pompeii" with Christopher Lloyd as Rick Mason.