I had a drummer in the studio once who said his approach was just tight enough to get rid of wrinkles, then lugs in tune on top, and then crank the bottom. Probably wasn't too far off the 4th you're talking about. Sounded good.twelvepoint wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:46 pm Personally I like tuning the bottom head a 4th higher than the top (though I recently reversed that, see above). For me, the perfect intervals seem to work ok if I don’t tune unison.
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42Beware of just-above-wrinkle tuning though: while it may work out on a recording, the drum won't project much and the head will wear out faster. Per usual with these things, you really need to evaluate how it sounds from a distance: drums that sound boomy in a room are often tuned higher than you think.losthighway wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:53 pmI had a drummer in the studio once who said his approach was just tight enough to get rid of wrinkles, then lugs in tune on top, and then crank the bottom. Probably wasn't too far off the 4th you're talking about. Sounded good.twelvepoint wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:46 pm Personally I like tuning the bottom head a 4th higher than the top (though I recently reversed that, see above). For me, the perfect intervals seem to work ok if I don’t tune unison.
This channel is always a good resource. Not in a preachy way, just making sure your techniques are in line with what you're trying to achieve.
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43^ That checks out having seen the same drummer perform live with inaudible toms. That deep dead thud feels big in isolation, or with the aid of studio technology but it doesn't keep a presence.
I stand by my assertion that a drum that plays a somewhat identifiable note with a brief sustain sounds goofy in isolation but carries more impact in a mix. This is also true of kick drums. My coated emperor kick drum with a baby blanket in it sounds wimpy in comparison to the drummer in my other band's foam ring aquarian kick but "speaks" more in a mix because it has more than click and boom. Mine says "dum" his says "pt".
I stand by my assertion that a drum that plays a somewhat identifiable note with a brief sustain sounds goofy in isolation but carries more impact in a mix. This is also true of kick drums. My coated emperor kick drum with a baby blanket in it sounds wimpy in comparison to the drummer in my other band's foam ring aquarian kick but "speaks" more in a mix because it has more than click and boom. Mine says "dum" his says "pt".
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44Agree with these last couple posts, you want the toms higher than you think you do or they just sound like you're hitting a piece of paper.
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45I've been following this guy's advice... I find drum tuning difficult. To me it's a lot about being able to hear the drum tones and also reading the specific kit and drum sizes.. the room... everything.
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46Crazy ass Deerhoof guitar multi-amp setup - micing hollowbody guitars acoustically, running that into an amp, then it gets weirder yet.
This is in a nice studio with some $$$ gear but could be cool to rip off on a smaller scale
This is in a nice studio with some $$$ gear but could be cool to rip off on a smaller scale
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47That's a bunch of rad guitar amps, and it sounds great. This guy I was recording the other day insisted on using 3 small amps (terrible little solid state Orange, a Pro Jr. and some reissue ampeg thing) at once, but none of them sounded good so the results were super meh. He has a "more is MOAWR!" problem
"micing hollowbody guitars"
I clip Lav mics on the F hole/bridges of hollow bodies all the time.
It's the beginning of this song. We tried a bunch of acoustics, electrics, all kinds of stuff and this was the only thing that sounded adequately puny for the song. Just a Sony ECM44 clipped right to the strings behind the bridge of my Kawai hollow body that fell off the wall and was destroyed. I miss that weird guitar. I think I also ran that through a colorsound fuzz into my Epiphone amp later in the song but can't remember what it was. I think the Bass is a Fender acoustic bass with flat wounds on it direct into a Rusty box.
https://boneandbell.bandcamp.com/track/cant
Another fun thing has been adding like a kick snare, and front mic cranked and summed into a single track through a Shure M67 mono mixer and adding it to the other drum mics in the mix. THICK IT! Also the built in mic on this little micro cassette recorder is trash AF. Fun for recording piano and organ. when I dump the tape into the DAW, I give it a little shake and it gets all warbly like a broken melotron or a optigan thing. sounds cool. I'm in abasement so a mic in the open dryer is sometimes fun too.
"micing hollowbody guitars"
I clip Lav mics on the F hole/bridges of hollow bodies all the time.
It's the beginning of this song. We tried a bunch of acoustics, electrics, all kinds of stuff and this was the only thing that sounded adequately puny for the song. Just a Sony ECM44 clipped right to the strings behind the bridge of my Kawai hollow body that fell off the wall and was destroyed. I miss that weird guitar. I think I also ran that through a colorsound fuzz into my Epiphone amp later in the song but can't remember what it was. I think the Bass is a Fender acoustic bass with flat wounds on it direct into a Rusty box.
https://boneandbell.bandcamp.com/track/cant
Another fun thing has been adding like a kick snare, and front mic cranked and summed into a single track through a Shure M67 mono mixer and adding it to the other drum mics in the mix. THICK IT! Also the built in mic on this little micro cassette recorder is trash AF. Fun for recording piano and organ. when I dump the tape into the DAW, I give it a little shake and it gets all warbly like a broken melotron or a optigan thing. sounds cool. I'm in abasement so a mic in the open dryer is sometimes fun too.