Reading up on Genome, it's even bigger than it appears. Its got integration with open source neural captures NAM and Proteus, amp sims, the DynIR section from Wall of Sound (cab sims with room and mic selections), pedals and effects and signal processing. They are selling it as an instrument control strip for your DAW, including automation. I love that they worked on bass as much as guitar and didn't leave it as an afterthought. Mixing and matching preamps and power amps and cabs to find your thing is a pretty cool concept, really embracing the technology by letting you play outside the box and allowing you to use your own IRs and captures, encouraging you to not limit yourself to their ecosystem. I really love software and hardware that has this mindset built into it.

Pair it up with an Opus or even CabM to some degree, you can take your creations outside the computer into a pedal. I was not expecting this, I was planning on using the Wall of Sound that I know, but wow this is a game changer that came way out of left feild. I'm really curious how much of Genome will be usable in Opus for more than cab, amp and power amp. I suppose that would be limited by the power of the pedal's processor.

With all the power amp tube options, I wonder why 6550s are not included?

benadrian wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 10:44 am I know the Helix seems lame to you, and I totally get why you don't want to live in a world of menus. I'm pulling out old hardware dum machines to get away from the world of stage laptops and iPads. However, with big modeling devices, you can always just pick your one favorite model and not look at anything else. Plus, the Helix is the only modeler where you can get PRF favorites like a Traynor amp and the KWB pedal. The models are made by solid dudes.

One myth I want to dispel is that a device with MORE content must mean that the content is then of a lesser quality. That's not true. Any company selling a line of DSP pedals that all go into a case of the same form factor could be giving you ALL of those pedals in one device. They're just breaking it up to sell customers more than one thing. Or they're doing it to provide a more direct experience with a single model. Both are valid reasons. Still, I know the time and effort that go into model creation. We give model updates for free because it keeps the product alive and dynamic in the marketplace.

I will end this this semi-advertisement and hype-post by linking my own band. On this recording, everything was Helix; guitar, bass, even some vocal processing.
https://zachdracula.bandcamp.com/

your record sounds nothing but awesome, great TONES!
I guess I never really looked into Helix because of it's price. of course in the meantime I've spent even more on various pedals and plugins, but still, investing 1000$ in a single device is another thing than paying 90$ for a plugin here and there.

cakes wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:28 pm Reading up on Genome, it's even bigger than it appears. Its got integration with open source neural captures NAM and Proteus, amp sims, the DynIR section from Wall of Sound (cab sims with room and mic selections), pedals and effects and signal processing. They are selling it as an instrument control strip for your DAW, including automation. I love that they worked on bass as much as guitar and didn't leave it as an afterthought. Mixing and matching preamps and power amps and cabs to find your thing is a pretty cool concept, really embracing the technology by letting you play outside the box and allowing you to use your own IRs and captures, encouraging you to not limit yourself to their ecosystem. I really love software and hardware that has this mindset built into it.

Pair it up with an Opus or even CabM to some degree, you can take your creations outside the computer into a pedal. I was not expecting this, I was planning on using the Wall of Sound that I know, but wow this is a game changer that came way out of left feild. I'm really curious how much of Genome will be usable in Opus for more than cab, amp and power amp. I suppose that would be limited by the power of the pedal's processor.

With all the power amp tube options, I wonder why 6550s are not included?

Listened to the Genome demos (guy has a funny idea of "post-rock"). Also watched a run through on youtube. didn't hear anything that I haven't heard before. will stick to Amphub. it's funny how the guys who do the demos have a big influence on how impressed I am with the products. Strymon Iridium really had some great players demoing their pedal!

Definitely interested in investigating one of the SUNN Model T preamp pedals. Any suggestions/preferences?

bassdriver wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 10:42 am Listened to the Genome demos (guy has a funny idea of "post-rock"). Also watched a run through on youtube. didn't hear anything that I haven't heard before. will stick to Amphub. it's funny how the guys who do the demos have a big influence on how impressed I am with the products. Strymon Iridium really had some great players demoing their pedal!

I think most amp sims are pretty great and there's a lot of overlap. I was really interested in Bias Amp for a bit. Its another platform designed around building your own amp. I think they also have one for pedals?

I ended up ordering that TC Electronic Jims 45. It was really inexpensive and I'm just too curious about it.

I had another thought on using all this with a real cab. The interesting thing with the Opus/Cab M is that you can emulate tube power amps. So, with a transparent power amp, you could add extra dimension with the power amp section of this pedal and further color your sound. They are so damn versatile, because you can turn off any section of the DSP and just use one part. A veritable Swiss army knife for the pedal board and the studio!

Diving further into YouTube videos on this, one thing I noticed is that almost everyone who's reviewing an amp pedal that does a Fender, a Marshall and a Vox always seems to mention that they use it on church ("for worship"). You can also see this language in marketing material on Sweetwater, et al. So there's the target audience for unimaginative blandness!

cakes wrote: Mon Jan 29, 2024 11:56 am Diving further into YouTube videos on this, one thing I noticed is that almost everyone who's reviewing an amp pedal that does a Fender, a Marshall and a Vox always seems to mention that they use it on church ("for worship"). You can also see this language in marketing material on Sweetwater, et al. So there's the target audience for unimaginative blandness!

I used to be bummed out by this, but I've mellowed on this as I've aged. Sometimes people are just playing "guitar", much like a person might play a clarinet and they just expect it to sound like a clarinet. For many/most guitarists, the amp is expected to be the final part to the predictable, classic guitar sound; the sound that fits into the mix of their band in expected ways. That's totally fine, even though it's not what we are usually about here on the PRF community or the art-y, noisy rock world in general.

Also, those big churches who need a low volume stage buy a LOT of gear, and hey, I like getting by paycheck every couple weeks

Bought two of the Origin Effects pedals last summer based on Tim's recommendation, the fake Ampeg and the fake Fender (black panel Bassman/Showman style). Both are great, and both do have amp sims on the XLR out that you can have on or not, even if the pedal isn't engaged. So, you can plug a different pedal in and use the 8x10 sim from the Ampeg pedal or the 2x15 sim from the Fender. I actually like the Fender cab sim better than the Ampeg sim, so for home headphones practice I've been plugging the Ampeg or the big tube Meatsmoke pedal into the Fender and just using the cab sim.

Actually intrigued enough by the Helix Stomp that I've come close to buying it, especially since it's a got a Mesa Diesel/Road Ready 2x15 cab sim on there. I can imagine that I'd likely just end up using that cab sim and going between a couple different amp sims and calling it a day at a certain point.

The Ampeg Origin Effects pedal into a Quilter Bass Block power section sounded great for Maple Stave shows I played last year, and the XLR out does a good job at sounding like what you want the bass to sound like if they want to take a DI.

My bandmate has another project that he did during the early part of the pandemic and all the guitar is using some different GarageBand amp sims and I was kinda shocked at how decent it all sounds:

benadrian wrote: Mon Jan 29, 2024 1:39 pm

cakes wrote: Mon Jan 29, 2024 11:56 am Diving further into YouTube videos on this, one thing I noticed is that almost everyone who's reviewing an amp pedal that does a Fender, a Marshall and a Vox always seems to mention that they use it on church ("for worship"). You can also see this language in marketing material on Sweetwater, et al. So there's the target audience for unimaginative blandness!

I used to be bummed out by this, but I've mellowed on this as I've aged. Sometimes people are just playing "guitar", much like a person might play a clarinet and they just expect it to sound like a clarinet. For many/most guitarists, the amp is expected to be the final part to the predictable, classic guitar sound; the sound that fits into the mix of their band in expected ways. That's totally fine, even though it's not what we are usually about here on the PRF community or the art-y, noisy rock world in general.

Also, those big churches who need a low volume stage buy a LOT of gear, and hey, I like getting by paycheck every couple weeks

nailed it - and I too live verrrry much in this world, but have learned to accept that punk/art-rock/whatever have not often been new-gear-buying target demographic and have been the ones to find value in what was cast aside as not up to par for the perfection that is large stage safety rock.

You could replace 'worship' with 'coverband' and have the same conversation - I have coworkers in both camps and the expectation of what they need is wild sometimes.

tallchris wrote: Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:39 pm Bought two of the Origin Effects pedals last summer based on Tim's recommendation, the fake Ampeg and the fake Fender (black panel Bassman/Showman style). Both are great, and both do have amp sims on the XLR out that you can have on or not, even if the pedal isn't engaged. So, you can plug a different pedal in and use the 8x10 sim from the Ampeg pedal or the 2x15 sim from the Fender. I actually like the Fender cab sim better than the Ampeg sim, so for home headphones practice I've been plugging the Ampeg or the big tube Meatsmoke pedal into the Fender and just using the cab sim

Wow, all the Origin Effect amp sims look like a lot of fun! Definitely up my alley.