losthighway wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2024 8:17 am It's like we need someone to propose the definition of democratic socialism without saying the S word.

This right here is possibly the biggest problem moving forward.

The US establishment has been propagandising socialism is bad so hard for so many decades that even many people that would agree with socialist/progressive policies can be easily put off someone just by branding them a socialist. It's reached the point that some people actually believe that there are marxists/communists in government and the democrat party. Some people even think hitler was a socialist FFS. This is how deeply embedded the brainwashing is. Something needs to change.

Of course, the problem is made so much harder because all the money and media are in the hands of right wing sociopaths.

enframed wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2024 11:08 am

losthighway wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2024 8:17 am educating the U.S. on what socialism actually means seems absurdly difficult. It's like we need someone to propose the definition of democratic socialism without saying the S word.

Branding issue for sure.

We tried that. Social justice.
Didn’t take.
Progressive.
I liked them, but then they got popular.

Curry Pervert wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2024 4:30 pmOf course, the problem is made so much harder because all the money and media are in the hands of right wing sociopaths.

I know this is old news but I’m playing catchup

cnbc wrote: President Joe Biden is facing an uprising from some his own party's wealthy donors, including an heiress to the Disney family fortune, who say they will no longer fund the Democratic Party until Biden drops out of the presidential race following his disastrous debate performance.

Abigail Disney, granddaughter of Roy O. Disney, who co-founded The Walt Disney Co., told CNBC on Thursday that she plans to withhold donations to the party she has funded for years until Biden drops out. The president has said he has no plans to withdraw from the race, despite calls for him to do so.

You don’t needed to attach any isms to a platform that would materially improve people’s lives.

Often individual policies like minimum wage increases, a public healthcare option, increased workers rights all poll extreme well. Bernie did a good job at this, less so Corbyn in the UK

Gramsci wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2024 9:45 am You don’t needed to attach any isms to a platform that would materially improve people’s lives.

The isms serve to confuse and divide. You can’t eat isms and they don’t mean anything without being tied to clear actions and intents. If we have clear actions and intents then we don’t need labels for the method of delivery.

ChudFusk wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2024 11:54 am

Gramsci wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2024 9:45 am You don’t needed to attach any isms to a platform that would materially improve people’s lives.

The isms serve to confuse and divide. You can’t eat isms and they don’t mean anything without being tied to clear actions and intents. If we have clear actions and intents then we don’t need labels for the method of delivery.

This is America, branding is VERY important. Acting like it isn't doesn't help.

Biden IG account saying he's gonna step down.

It’s never easy to admit defeat, especially when you’re the most powerful man in the world. So in a way I respect that. He’s not showing any bitterness, as much as he probably wants to.

But doing it now instead of a year ago when we could have planned this better is absolutely selfish. There’s no denying that.

So yeah I’m conflicted.

Biden just endorsed Harris

Does Harris have the draw? I'd never heard of her before she ran with him.