I’ll just finish up here by pointing out the glorious successes of western liberal interventionism.

It’s been going great. Biggly.

Gramsci wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 3:36 am I’ll just finish up here by pointing out the glorious successes of western liberal interventionism.

Would be a relevant remark if there were in the Ukraine events any analogue to previous 'interventions', or if the situation even could be intelligibly described on the same lines.

kokorodoko wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2024 11:51 am also telling a story that the invader is in fact the one being invaded.

I love a good strawman, but that one wasn't very good.

Curry Pervert wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 8:36 am

kokorodoko wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2024 11:51 am also telling a story that the invader is in fact the one being invaded.

I love a good strawman, but that one wasn't very good.

Curry Pervert wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 6:47 pm

kokorodoko wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 12:17 pm it's not Russia waging war against Ukraine, but NATO waging war against Russia through Ukraine.

Glad you're finally getting it.

Right. It's Opposite Day as far as certain corners of the far left and far right are concerned.

Russia has never respected its neighbors.

Stay in its geopolitical orbit, and you end up stuck in a dictatorship like Belarus or Kazakhstan. Or in a semi-frozen, occasionally hot war (that mostly benefits Russia), a la Moldova and Georgia where the majority of citizens want one thing, but the government insists on another b/c Russia occupies a sliver of the land and threatens military action every time they speak up. To say nothing of the Armenia/Azerbaijan mess.

Leave Russia's orbit, and you ended up in a prosperous European democracy like Latvia or Lithuania that, while not w/o its problems, actually functions well and gives a shit about its citizens.

The first time I went to Latvia, it was almost as corrupt as Ukraine. You rarely heard the Latvian language on the street in Riga, and the (imported) Russian minority acted like they owned the whole fuckin' country. Now? It's not so different visiting Germany or Scandinavia.

Oh, but heaven forbid Ukrainians should be free to make a similar choice.

PASTA wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2024 8:48 am https://www.thenation.com/article/polit ... s-protest/

Great point. Also if it hasn't been pointed out yet, one of the first things a Trump administration would like to do is destroy the Palestinian movement and give Isreal whatever it wants to wipe Gaza off the map. It's literally in the top order of things they would like to do.

Trump's rallies feature appearances by Giuliani, his two biter sons, and Apartheid Elon. What a who's who in dog shit.

Krev wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2024 1:09 pm Trump's rallies feature appearances by Giuliani, his two biter sons, and Apartheid Elon. What a who's who in dog shit.

And that was before his 'lil Neo Nazi rally at MSG over the weekend.

Yes, this Hinchcliffe fellow certainly made a name for himself overnight.

So bad the Trump campaign had to distance itself from his "jokes".