Curry Pervert wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 12:20 am
OrthodoxEaster wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2024 9:35 pm
I'd say it's more off-kilter to insist you're showing people up left and right
You do like to make up narratives, don't you? Where have I insisted I'm "showing up people left and right"? The closest thing to that accusation would be pointing out about your sources, which has nothing to do with showing you up. It's about showing narratives.
OrthodoxEaster wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2024 9:35 pm
when many of them merely wrote you off pages ago as either a self-congratulatory gadfly or simply not worth debating.
You can only lead a horse to water.
Once again, FTR: I stated way back in this thread that Ukraine should have the right to self determination and that Putin is not a 'great guy'. That doesn't invalidate legitimate concerns about the nazi problem or US meddling.
Congrats again. You didn't say such things word for word.
Yet you parrot the Putin-approved narrative (your "sources" some pages back included a disgruntled Soviet-nostalgia political party and a totally misleading account of what happened in Odesa in terms of who fired first; never mind that chronologically, none of that would have happened if Russia had left Crimea and Donbas alone). And your version of "self-determination" seems most peculiar, as it does not at all reflect the will of most everyday Ukrainians. (Oh, and Nazis! Always w/the Nazis in Ukraine, this invented Russian narrative... Never mind all the Nazis in... pro-Putin Russia.)
To the point where others, not just me, think you're saying that Putin was goaded into invading and had no other choice. (Seriously... )
Being charitable, you maybe want to have your cake and eat it too now.
This is probably getting tedious for all the people here focused on the American election—and like I said, this debate w/you is no longer worth having— but I'll leave it at this: You should be delighted that the president-elect of the United States now has much the same view on Ukraine as you do. If that's not horseshoe theory, I'm not sure what is.