llllllllllllllllllll wrote: Tue Sep 16, 2025 8:24 pm

Curry Pervert wrote: Tue Sep 16, 2025 8:03 pm This is a bit of a long read, but has some interesting points.

I researched every attempt to stop fascism in history. The success rate is 0%. Once they win elections, it's already too late.

– Chris Armitage: substack.com/@chrisarmitage1

Not sure about this, he already left out Bolsonaro.

And the previous Brazillian dictatorship, although that began with a (US-backed) coup vs democratic election.

I don’t know enough about modern global history to address more of his points here, but I can’t imagine any of these optional scenarios he’s proposing. And most people accept that this is the legitimately elected administration. And aren’t young people trending toward the right anyway?

I read stuff like this and feel so much further disempowered and destabilized, because I disagree that the left has even 10% of the control this guy suggests.
We have milquetoast leaders, self-serving corporate interests (in California, too) and tech orgs, and even the cultural production (if i understand correctly what he means here) has been slowly ceding toward that right wing media/social media ecosphere. Even my friends and neighbors who I know have voted similarly to me seem to be more or less unfocused on the overwhelming and ugly new realities and potential repercussions. I don’t blame them either. We all have jobs and houses and families and other immediate, more actionable crises. What’s realistically left to do? Focus on local elections?

The United Kingdom successfully resisted Fascism.

https://www.londonmuseum.org.uk/collect ... le-street/

Brazil is another good example. There was a decade long institutional attempt to overthrow the Workers’ Party government culminating in a coup against Rousseff and the illegal jailing of Lula. However, Brazil’s institutions did tilt back to sanity in the face of Bolsonaro’s Cod Fascism. I fear that wouldn’t be the case if he and his cohorts were actually intelligent and competent. But they really are a bunch of Facebook Uncles.

The biggest risk IMO is the historical tendency of bourgeoisie institutions and society when faced with a moderate but solidly leftist government or fascism to side with monsters to protect themselves from taxation and/or loss of power.

Anyhoo. Fascism isn’t inevitable, it’s just likely in society’s with strong bourgeoisie values. So countries in “the West” could be screwed, but it’s not a given.

Woke up this morning to a neighborhood Signal thread about an ICE raid a few blocks from my house in the middle of the night. The ICE app was also down at the same time. A neighbor witnessed the black SUVs, with masked men with guns getting out of them.

Yeah. Sadly the narrative spreading on social media that Pritzker and Chicago "scared ICE off" just caused them to go covert and quietly do its damage. Not good.

^ ICE continues to do a lot of operations in the 'burbs as well... Elgin, Waukegan, West Chicago, Des Plaines. These cities are trying to do their part to spread information on how residents can protect themselves, but gheez, these patrols are more or less like SWAT teams.

Possibly related.. anyone else see a sudden spike in the number of guests viewing the page after you post something?

Gramsci wrote: Wed Sep 17, 2025 1:55 am The United Kingdom successfully resisted Fascism.

It’s humorous posting this today of all days .

zorg wrote: Wed Sep 17, 2025 10:27 am

Gramsci wrote: Wed Sep 17, 2025 1:55 am The United Kingdom successfully resisted Fascism.

It’s humorous posting this today of all days .

Nah, the UK’s relationship to the US is a cross party non negotiable.

Oddly, I’m on a mental health break from reading the news. Three days in without opening any form of news. I broke that briefly to see what you were talking about

Gramsci wrote: Wed Sep 17, 2025 10:31 am

zorg wrote: Wed Sep 17, 2025 10:27 am

Gramsci wrote: Wed Sep 17, 2025 1:55 am The United Kingdom successfully resisted Fascism.

It’s humorous posting this today of all days .

Nah, the UK’s relationship to the US is a cross party non negotiable.

Oddly, I’m on a mental health break from reading the news. Three days in without opening any form of news. I broke that briefly to see what you were talking about

Sorry to break your fast, wouldn't want you to miss the power and pageantry in your own backyard.

jfv wrote: Wed Sep 17, 2025 10:25 am Possibly related.. anyone else see a sudden spike in the number of guests viewing the page after you post something?

"445 guests" wtf.