Frankie99 wrote: Sat Jan 24, 2026 1:03 pm

Lu Zwei wrote: Sat Jan 24, 2026 12:43 pm Him carrying or not should be absolutely unimportant. They instigated and killed a dude. All 8 of them.

Yes agree 1000%. In the US, proponents of the second amendment have claimed forever that they would come to the defense of their citizens against the tyrannical government.

It’s pretty clear they were lying and are just a bunch of pussies with guns.

TWELVE SHOTS FIRED!

Frankie99 wrote: Sat Jan 24, 2026 1:03 pm

Lu Zwei wrote: Sat Jan 24, 2026 12:43 pm Him carrying or not should be absolutely unimportant. They instigated and killed a dude. All 8 of them.

Yes agree 1000%. In the US, proponents of the second amendment have claimed forever that they would come to the defense of their citizens against the tyrannical government.

It’s pretty clear they were lying and are just a bunch of pussies with guns.

It's as obvious today as it was before that the 2nd amendment is for cosplay. Those who defend the state murdering civilians only care about the murdering part, in that they have been primed to cheer it on. They dream of murdering others that disagree with them.

OrthodoxEaster wrote: Sat Jan 24, 2026 1:03 pm For me, the travesty is how absolutely unnecessary all of this is. Instigated by wholly pointless, politically driven ICE raids, of course. Can't emphasize that enough. The whole allocation of resources to ICE is just fucking insane.

That said, bringing a gun to any protest, legal or not, in which you might have a run-in w/law enforcement seems like asking for trouble.

Dude, you are the worst. Seriously. Get fucked you white uppity trash piece of shit.

I said what I said. Fuck you again, sideways and all over yourself. FUCK. YOU!

Lu Zwei wrote:

OrthodoxEaster wrote: Sat Jan 24, 2026 1:03 pm For me, the travesty is how absolutely unnecessary all of this is. Instigated by wholly pointless, politically driven ICE raids, of course. Can't emphasize that enough. The whole allocation of resources to ICE is just fucking insane.

That said, bringing a gun to any protest, legal or not, in which you might have a run-in w/law enforcement seems like asking for trouble.

Dude, you are the worst. Seriously. Get fucked you white uppity trash piece of shit.

I said what I said. Fuck you again, sideways and all over yourself. FUCK. YOU!

And now you're gonna claim I'm lower class than you? How very "socialist" of you! Not to mention mature.

I suspect your knowledge of the world doesn't extend much beyond your parents' basement. I feel bad for your ex. Never mind your kid.

cakes wrote: Sat Jan 24, 2026 1:07 pm Coincidentally, my wife was telling me we would apply for a gun license last night. She wants to get trained for conceal carry.

Mark this as the demarcation point for the next civil war. The escalation has started. It feels like it's a matter of time before people start firing back.

I was thinking the same thing. I assume gun ownership isn’t completely a partisan issue. It seems possible someone gets mad enough to open up with an assault rifle on some ICE agents. They seem like a bunch of Mall Cops with real badges. What if some trained veteran snaps and decides to take their AR15 for a walk.

To be clear, I’m not saying this should happen it just seems like a real possibility, considering US gun culture.

I'm not much for censorship of any kind, Lu, but I also wonder what the mods here make of your possibly drunken outbursts? (Personally, I interpret them as generalized unhappiness or insecurity. But others' mileage may vary.)

Yeah. Can we all chill a bit. We’re all on the same side in this forum. Yelling at each other isn’t helpful.

Question on States rights. Why can federal agencies do this if the State governance is in opposition?

Gramsci wrote: Sat Jan 24, 2026 1:20 pm To be clear, I’m not saying this should happen it just seems like a real possibility, considering US gun culture.

Sure. Unfortunately, that's kinda the problem. No real sympathy for an ICE officer who might get picked off. Just about none whatsoever. You choose a job that makes you be a fucking asshole, you better know the risks, Mr. or Ms. Federal Agent.

Still, ICE may be sloppy, but it also has way, way more resources and training than the average community or even communities. And it just doesn't tend to end well for anyone who tends to (to quote a great Cop Shoot Cop song) fight the police. To quote a not-as-great Royal Trux song, you're (probably) gonna lose.

Gramsci wrote: Sat Jan 24, 2026 1:24 pm Yeah. Can we all chill a bit. We’re all on the same side in this forum. Yelling at each other isn’t helpful.

Question on States rights. Why can federal agencies do this if the State governance is in opposition?

They have more and bigger guns, a bigger budget for weapons and more soldiers. It's why the idea of 2A and states rights ended after WWII and the growth explosion of the Military Industrial complex.

Frankie99 wrote: Sat Jan 24, 2026 1:40 pm

Gramsci wrote: Sat Jan 24, 2026 1:24 pm Yeah. Can we all chill a bit. We’re all on the same side in this forum. Yelling at each other isn’t helpful.

Question on States rights. Why can federal agencies do this if the State governance is in opposition?

They have more and bigger guns, a bigger budget for weapons and more soldiers. It's why the idea of 2A and states rights ended after WWII and the growth explosion of the Military Industrial complex.

What about the constitutional legality of federal agents vs States rights? Why does Waltz have to accept ICE agents in the first place.