trilonaut wrote:i'm not vegan or vegetarian. i like mock meats and rice milk though. i don't think "veganizing" something is a bad idea, i think it's a good idea, at least as an option.

i don't think meat-eaters, vegans or vegetarians should preach or mock people for their diets -- it's just annoying.

i don't think vegans i've met were necessarily unhealthy.

i also think total veganism (as in "no animal products of any kind") is impractical and that realistically it makes sense to practice with flexibility -- you don't have to be absolute to be creating some of the impact desired (ie, there isn't some bonus award given to the cows of the world if you never eat a product with kasene [spelling?]).

six acre, about the vegan hipster status thing -- that goes both ways. for a while veganism was a trend, now it's more like red meat and apathy. i remember flyering at the last drop (for non-philly people: coffee shop) for a show with vegan food and they were like "*scoff* vegan? please" which is ridiculous, because

1 - this is the crowd that a year earlier was surely packing gianna's grille (for non-philly people: place that sells vegan cheese steaks and pizza), but it went out of style.
2 - just because you eat meat doesn't mean you can't eat vegan food.

Rice milk is delicious. Check out the tacoria on 5th and thompson!!!

I am well aware of the trendy factor swinging both ways. I encounter just as many militant carnivores as well as vegans / veggies. As i said earlier i think balance is the key. Dont stuff your pie hole full of one thing.

I work in the tv / movie / commercial industry as a painter / sculptor. The production companies have to cater the jobs. They need to provide a balanced meal for all lifestyles ie. carnivore / veggie / vegan. i love it cause for me it means more options and a better meal.

[quote="HCT
Depends if you consider yourself an animal. I don't. Hence, I use "animals" as a derogatry term when referring to a group of people who act in an inhumane way.

I'm a vegan. I smoke, I hardly ever exercise and I live in a house where if we want to eat, we have to scrape the mould off the plates to wash them. I'm pretty much never ill, or tired, and I'd say I tan pretty well given half a chance.[/quote]

Of course you smoke. A lot of the vegans I know smoke. Seriously WTF.

Watch the discovery channel for a while and then watch how our society is structured...Then tell me if you dont consider us animals.

six acre lake wrote:Rice milk is delicious. Check out the tacoria on 5th and thompson!!!

yeah, i ate there when i lived on 5th and girard. my friend liked trying their "exotic" meats: goat brain tacos and whatnot.

Colonel Panic wrote:Raising kids to be vegan:

http://www.current.tv/watch/2683042

Not nearly all people are my friends. How can animals be my friends?

Animals are not my friends. I can't even carry on a conversation with them.

This thread makes me want to eat people.

Eat me.

Skronk wrote:

Skronk wrote:don't give me shit about my veggie-burger.

John George Peppers wrote:Oh, I'll give you shit. If your going to green light a veggie-burger at a restaurant or at a BBQ my advice to you is to eat a fucking Salad!! Tofu? Is that your comeback? Have it on the side with some Ponzu sauce..It's delicious. If your reply is you like the taste???? Again, splurge once in a while and just have a fucking burger.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. The only people that feel threatened by a damn diet is a meat eater. I tell you what, you give me an an uncooked block of tofu, I'll form it into a ball and throw it back at you.

Excellent retort my friend. Genuinely, this made me chuckle. However, I as previously mentioned, I would try and catch that tofu ball, pour ponzu sauce all over it, and enjoy eating it. Seriously, give me a salad, some tofu with sauce and that goes really well with beer.... just as good as any other heavy pub food. I don't feel threatened by veggie's/vegans but they do get on everyones nerves at times. You can't really go with the flow do you? You are restricted, by choice, in many social situations. Example:

When I'm out with a group of friends and we want to grab a bit to eat there is always a problem if there is a veggie in the group. We have to either go out of the way or go to a restaurant no one likes that much because they serve a few veggie dishes. To put it bluntly, that sucks. So, yea at that point someone might at that point start questioning the vegan/veggie about their eating habits.

I guess what's going on here is that both sides feel that they "suffer" grief from this one way or another. It really does appear to be 50/50 just by looking at these posts.

Getting back to the main point regarding Kids and a veggie/vegan lifestyle. Look at us, we are adults and we are getting into a polarizing argument. Could you imagine what this does for the children when they grown up!?!!! Let the kids be kids. As many said before me, feed them good food, set a good example, but at the end of the day don't ever tear a hot dog or cupcake from their little hands.

John George Peppers wrote:I happen to like both Salads and tofu too. However, i'm not going to convince myself it should be in Burger form.
............It would be like a meat eater asking for a Hamburger Salad with extra meat and no salad.

six acre lake wrote:Vegan=hipster dufus status symbol.

I have never understood this stereotype. Why do people constantly project this on to people that only eat vegatables? Are Hindus all hipsters? Buddhist hipsters?? I suppose it is possible that maybe someone thinks going vegan could possibly get them laid, but I've never met that person. I guess I don't hang out with assholes. If anything "image" goes downhill. I think the person willing to radically transform their diet just so they can listen to the incessant whining of meat eaters is pretty rare. Status symbol???? What is it you're so insecure about anyway?

John George Peppers wrote: Example:

When I'm out with a group of friends and we want to grab a bit to eat there is always a problem if there is a veggie in the group. We have to either go out of the way or go to a restaurant no one likes that much because they serve a few veggie dishes. To put it bluntly, that sucks. So, yea at that point someone might at that point start questioning the vegan/veggie about their eating habits.

In these situations, I'm not really picky. Fact is, most of the people I go out to eat with would rather eat at a nicer place, and they generally have vegan/vegetarian meals. I'm not really a picky eater, just as long as there's no animal products in it. I've even been invited to a few BBQ's over the years, and the host was gracious enough to have different things, like salad, veggie burgers, ka-bobs. I'm not one of those vegans that gives a dirty look to people eating meat. Live and let live.

John George Peppers wrote:I guess what's going on here is that both sides feel that they "suffer" grief from this one way or another. It really does appear to be 50/50 just by looking at these posts.

For the most part on this thread, we agree that it's not a vegan/ meat eater problem, but more of an overzealous-asshole type of thing. There's enough pricks in the world to make both sides look bad. Just eat what you eat, and I'll eat what I eat makes sense.

John George Peppers wrote:Getting back to the main point regarding Kids and a veggie/vegan lifestyle. Look at us, we are adults and we are getting into a polarizing argument. Could you imagine what this does for the children when they grown up!?!!! Let the kids be kids. As many said before me, feed them good food, set a good example, but at the end of the day don't ever tear a hot dog or cupcake from their little hands.

I agree with you. A parent should feed their child healthy food, whether it's vegan or animal. Steve V. put it well, he called those parents vege-nazis. These parents care more about acting the part of "healthy vegan" than caring about the health of their kids. It doesn't matter what kind of diet you have, as long as it's not doing you harm. If I had a kid, I wouldn't be imposing any kind of diet on them, I'd let them choose, but I'd make sure he/she knows the difference between healthy and junk food.

are vegans allowed to eat pussy?