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Rog wrote:

Bubber wrote:

charliedon'tsurf wrote:since the Madison PD is the nicest bunch of cops I have ever encountered unlike Chicago pigs or the redneck pricks I grew up getting chased by.

Unrelated anecdote.

Madison is the only town where I could even imagine how the cops handled a naked drunken slip-n'-slide party we threw on our front lawn in middle of town, in the summer of 1995. We invited everybody from the Pinckney St. Hide-Away (a bar, RIP) over, at closing time.

Anyway, somebody apparently called the cops on us, because one showed up. There were cases of beer sitting in the lawn, some naked people hastily getting towels on or hiding behind other people, some obvious underage people, making noise, 2am, etc.. So the cop very politely told us that one of the neighbors who hadn't been invited wasn't having as much fun as we were. So, could we please just be more quiet.

He was so awesome about it that everybody started cheering, and he started shushing the crowd. That was about it. No tickets, no real scolding. He left as friendly as he'd arrived.

I bet I will never have an interaction with the police that's anywhere as pleasant as that for the rest of my natural life.

Madison: very much like Mars.

Interesting.

I worked a home football Saturday this fall. As I drove down one
of the side streets by the stadium, the police car in front of me
slammed on it's brakes, the cop jumped out , grabbed a beering
minor, and tossed him into the back of his squad in
one motion. Then he started give the other kids gathered in
that driveway what for. All the while completely blocking traffic
in the street. I had to back up and find somewhere to turn around.

But, yeah, you're right; the Madison cops are just so mellow
and groovy.

I base my statement on Madison cops being cool on a couple different incidences when I was an undergrad in the early 90's doing really stupid, drunk, idiotic asking for trouble kind of shit. Two different nights of blatant law breaking that I won't go into the details. The consequences of such actions would have netted me at least a week in jail where I grew up that were dealt with being taken back home and told to be good by MPD. Maybe they have gotten meaner since the early 90's, but I was pleasantly surprised with what the Madison cops have not wrote me tickets for much less let me rot in the pokey for the weekend. A couple years later they let me go when they caught me and some friends toking up at a Rush/Primus concert. Which begs the question of what I was doing seeing both of those positively horrible bands at Dane County Coliseum.

In any case the pig was cool.

steve wrote: If Soup is big enough and badass enough that he can fight two drunks for their keys, then he has other options at his disposal.

I never said wrestle them for the keys I said go talk to them, tell them there are cops everywhere tonight, put that in their heads. He said he knew the dude.
Two random strangers stumbling to their car? I could see that, where people would call the cops if they are that concerned with it. If I was concerned, like it was the middle of the day or something and I saw that, I wouldn't talk to the strangers most likely, unless they looked really approachable and I had the feeling I could talk them out of driving. I actually might even suggest someone else standing nearby call the cops in that situation.
I can also see someone calling the cops if you are on the road and someone is weaving all over the place hitting shit, sure. That sshole deserves it, I agree.

In this instance he said he knew the dudes and was it right of him to call the cops on them.
I said no, if he knew them he should have talked to them, made some sort of effort before rigth away calling the cops. That's it.

That's pretty fucking intense that you wouldn't call the police under any circumstance. So, if your house was broken into, you would fend them off yourself and if they got away with some of your stuff and gave you a non-fatal gunshot wound you would deal with it? I mean you have to draw the line somewhere. Maybe if we were all fucking Batman and could pull of the vigilante/dealing with it ourselves thing it'd be a different story. I mean cops suck, but christ, a little hard-headed there are we?

Since we're on the subject... it would be sweet to be Batman.

yaphet wrote:That's pretty fucking intense that you wouldn't call the police under any circumstance. So, if your house was broken into, you would fend them off yourself and if they got away with some of your stuff and gave you a non-fatal gunshot wound you would deal with it? I mean you have to draw the line somewhere. Maybe if we were all fucking Batman and could pull of the vigilante/dealing with it ourselves thing it'd be a different story. I mean cops suck, but christ, a little hard-headed there are we?

Since we're on the subject... it would be sweet to be Batman.

What would the police do in that situation?
Catch the dude?
Yeah, ok. I'm sure they'd catch him.
The police here are utterly worthless in every way. There is not a chance in hell of them ever actually solving a crime such as that. There is not a chance in hell of them even taking a crime like that at all seriously.
Anyone here in Chicago ever have some cops solve a crime you involved in? Anyone? Someone break into your shit and they catch him? Someone rob you or assault you and they catch him? I literally do not know one person who has ever had the police show back up after a crime has been committed and have them say 'we caught him!' Not one. doesn't happen.
It seriously does not happen ever. The cops will even laugh at you if you suggest they actually try to catch the person.
If someone broke into my apartment and shot me, they'd come in, snoop around (maybe, but probably not) write some reports and maybe arrest me for some reason they come up with, maybe I didn't pay a fucking parking ticket.
I'd go to the hospital, then go about my business.

The police catch someone for something they either pinned it on some random person or it was some gangbanger who was too stupid to even walk away from the crime scene.

The only reason I could see calling the cops here after a break-in would be to satisfy a requirement of your renter's insurance. I currently do not have renter's insurance. I would not call the cops after a break-in.

During a break-in, probably.

The Code is Almighty wrote:The only reason I could see calling the cops here after a break-in would be to satisfy a requirement of your renter's insurance.

Yep-- and when they do, they just show up, fill out a report, and give you a reference number to give your insurance. If your car is broken into, they don't even show up-- you get patched into a clerk's office who takes the report over the phone.

I buzzed highway patrol (*hp) once when a drunk motherfucker was very visibly sucking the guts out a Icehouse tallboy and swerving all over the place, nearly taking out every other car.

Driving drunk is the dumbest fucking thing you can do. You deserve all the pain of DUIs and DWIs and gettin'-fucked-in-the-eye.

Steve V. wrote:
Driving drunk is the dumbest fucking thing you can do. You deserve all the pain of DUIs and DWIs and gettin'-fucked-in-the-eye.

Right on. I've got no sympathy for these pricks. Ringo did the right thing.

Marsupialized wrote: I literally do not know one person who has ever had the police show back up after a crime has been committed and have them say 'we caught him!' Not one. doesn't happen.
It seriously does not happen ever.

Right here. Happened to me. So you're wrong again. You're wrong. Wrong is what you are - incorrect. Not right, see. Wrong.

I don't trust cops, and you are wrong. The difference between your distrust of cops and mine is: I see the world as it is, and you see it as it appears to a wrong motherfucker. Someone whose wrongness is as plain to see as an open fly when you exhibit the exact same gutless response as cops do to personal lawbreaking - expect your pals to look the other way. If there's a more basic tell of a cop mentality, I don't know what it could be.

Bring back the morbidly obese women, take your statistics and shove them up your whiny ass. 14K / year DUI fatalities is nowhere near all we're dealing with in the country when it comes to drunk entitlement behind the wheel. As if a count of wrecks with deaths and drunks at the scene tells a complete story - fuck that. Only a tool would avoid mentioning injuries, collision and property damage, wheelchairs, lawsuits, spiraling insurance premium costs, and absolutely no mention of the thousands and thousands of hit-and-run victims that would show up as DUI crimes if there happened to be a driver around to report. Only a total tool would wave around a low number of vehicular fatalities like that without acknowledging that the class of crime is vehicular and prone to not having the drunks around after the fact because they're in a fucking vehicle.

As far as your hysterical take on the legal climate surrounding DUI, also wrong. If you don't know by now that you NEVER, EVER submit to field sobriety tests and you NEVER submit to search without probable cause then you haven't been paying attention to how the world works and again should shut the fuck up. The nationwide DUI cash bonanza has less to do with cop overstep than it does with driver timidity/stupidity. Oh, and guilt.

Speaking as someone who has taken people's keys (and who regrets not taking someone's keys once) I find the whole examination of ringo's dedication to key-grabbing / negotiation totally fucking offensive. I don't care what his reasons were to not complete a personal mediation - even if they included "he just didn't feel like it" that's not important at all. What's important is he saw a chance to take a drunk slob off the road and had the guts to not pretend it wasn't happening.

Not like a gutless cop. Or you.

-r

warmowski wrote:

Marsupialized wrote: I literally do not know one person who has ever had the police show back up after a crime has been committed and have them say 'we caught him!' Not one. doesn't happen.
It seriously does not happen ever.

Right here. Happened to me. So you're wrong again. You're wrong. Wrong is what you are - incorrect. Not right, see. Wrong.

I don't trust cops, and you are wrong. The difference between your distrust of cops and mine is: I see the world as it is, and you see it as it appears to a wrong motherfucker. Someone whose wrongness is as plain to see as an open fly when you exhibit the exact same gutless response as cops do to personal lawbreaking - expect your pals to look the other way. If there's a more basic tell of a cop mentality, I don't know what it could be.

Bring back the morbidly obese women, take your statistics and shove them up your whiny ass. 14K / year DUI fatalities is nowhere near all we're dealing with in the country when it comes to drunk entitlement behind the wheel. As if a count of wrecks with deaths and drunks at the scene tells a complete story - fuck that. Only a tool would avoid mentioning injuries, collision and property damage, wheelchairs, lawsuits, spiraling insurance premium costs, and absolutely no mention of the thousands and thousands of hit-and-run victims that would show up as DUI crimes if there happened to be a driver around to report. Only a total tool would wave around a low number of vehicular fatalities like that without acknowledging that the class of crime is vehicular and prone to not having the drunks around after the fact because they're in a fucking vehicle.

As far as your hysterical take on the legal climate surrounding DUI, also wrong. If you don't know by now that you NEVER, EVER submit to field sobriety tests and you NEVER submit to search without probable cause then you haven't been paying attention to how the world works and again should shut the fuck up. The nationwide DUI cash bonanza has less to do with cop overstep than it does with driver timidity/stupidity. Oh, and guilt.

Speaking as someone who has taken people's keys (and who regrets not taking someone's keys once) I find the whole examination of ringo's dedication to key-grabbing / negotiation totally fucking offensive. I don't care what his reasons were to not complete a personal mediation - even if they included "he just didn't feel like it" that's not important at all. What's important is he saw a chance to take a drunk slob off the road and had the guts to not pretend it wasn't happening.

Not like a gutless cop. Or you.

-r

I wanna hear about these super Chicago cops who solved whatever crime you were involved in. Don't make up a story either.
I bet you are going to make up a story.

So there are statistics, studies, numbers and you just refuse to believe them, I see.
You say it must be much more than 14k a year DUI deaths when in fact that 14k number is highly inflated, everyone pretty much agrees on that.

Oh no it must be so much worse! It must be!

Dude, it's not.

The numbers including all injuries related to alcohol and driving are like 500,000 a year....also highly inflated, including things like the driver was sober but the dude sleeping in the back was drunk so it's alcohol related.
Look at the population numbers and tell me it's such a massive problem that we need to give the police unlimited, unchecked powers to protect us from it.

I cannot argue with your logic, as there is none to what you are saying.

I agree being shitfaced and driving is wrong and dangerous, and if you do it you better know damn well there's scores of people who are going to be calling the cops on you. I do not agree that if my aunt has a couple glasses of wine at dinner she should be yanked out of her car on the side of the road and dragged off to jail and robbed of thousands and thousands of dollars, let alone have a fucking DUI on her record that will hinder her trying to get a job the rest of her life.
You'd have to be a fucking moo moo to think that was a good thing.