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ChudFusk wrote: Thu Feb 05, 2026 5:42 pm Punk was a psyop to defang the rebellion

That’s letting the hippies off way too easy

OrthodoxEaster wrote: Thu Feb 05, 2026 5:01 pm I'm not sure if the Mekons' "Never Been in a Riot" or the Television Personalities' "Part Time Punks" was a better sendup of the Clash Inc.

I think Strummer might have done that himself with “We are the Clash”

llllllllllllllllllll wrote: Thu Feb 05, 2026 7:26 pm

ChudFusk wrote: Thu Feb 05, 2026 5:42 pm Punk was a psyop to defang the rebellion

That’s letting the hippies off way too easy

In the UK they were the first Boy Bands.

Gramsci wrote: Thu Feb 05, 2026 11:20 am

zorg wrote: Tue Feb 03, 2026 3:55 pm

When they kick at your front door
How you gonna come?
With your hands on your head
Or on the trigger of your gun

Well, statistically you’ll be disarmed and shot by the person kicking in your front door

yeah, but the idea is to take some of them with you, isn't it, in those somewhat simpler, less-total-tactical-body-armor-war-cosplay times

jirbling rake wrote: Fri Feb 06, 2026 9:22 am

Gramsci wrote: Thu Feb 05, 2026 11:20 am

zorg wrote: Tue Feb 03, 2026 3:55 pm

Well, statistically you’ll be disarmed and shot by the person kicking in your front door

yeah, but the idea is to take some of them with you, isn't it, in those somewhat simpler, less-total-tactical-body-armor-war-cosplay times

The idea a group of plucky 2A types could hold back the full or even partial weight of the US government is beyond laughable.

Guns aren’t the government’s weapon, information is.

Gramsci wrote: Fri Feb 06, 2026 9:35 am

jirbling rake wrote: Fri Feb 06, 2026 9:22 am

Gramsci wrote: Thu Feb 05, 2026 11:20 am

Well, statistically you’ll be disarmed and shot by the person kicking in your front door

yeah, but the idea is to take some of them with you, isn't it, in those somewhat simpler, less-total-tactical-body-armor-war-cosplay times

The idea a group of plucky 2A types could hold back the full or even partial weight of the US government is beyond laughable.

Guns aren’t the government’s weapon, information is.

Maybe you can expound on that, but I'm willing to bet a couple people in Minnesota would still be alive if ICE was armed only with information.

The NRA conning people into buying guns to protect against a tryannical government is the successful psyop I take Gram to mean. Which can remain true with your assertion as well.

zorg wrote: Fri Feb 06, 2026 9:59 am

Gramsci wrote: Fri Feb 06, 2026 9:35 am

jirbling rake wrote: Fri Feb 06, 2026 9:22 am

yeah, but the idea is to take some of them with you, isn't it, in those somewhat simpler, less-total-tactical-body-armor-war-cosplay times

The idea a group of plucky 2A types could hold back the full or even partial weight of the US government is beyond laughable.

Guns aren’t the government’s weapon, information is.

Maybe you can expound on that, but I'm willing to bet a couple people in Minnesota would still be alive if ICE was armed only with information.

I’m more referring to the idea a citizen militia could prevent a tyrannical government in the US through the 2A.

I should probably have said “not the only weapon”. What I meant was all the dudes with an AR15 at home would never have the capacity to beat the government not just on toe to toe weapons and fire power, but the National Surveillance State would be so far ahead any resistance would be meaningless.

Gramsci wrote: Fri Feb 06, 2026 10:31 am

zorg wrote: Fri Feb 06, 2026 9:59 am

Gramsci wrote: Fri Feb 06, 2026 9:35 am

The idea a group of plucky 2A types could hold back the full or even partial weight of the US government is beyond laughable.

Guns aren’t the government’s weapon, information is.

Maybe you can expound on that, but I'm willing to bet a couple people in Minnesota would still be alive if ICE was armed only with information.

I’m more referring to the idea a citizen militia could prevent a tyrannical government in the US through the 2A.

I should probably have said “not the only weapon”. What I meant was all the dudes with an AR15 at home would never have the capacity to beat the government not just on toe to toe weapons and fire power, but the National Surveillance State would be so far ahead any resistance would be meaningless.

Alright thanks...yeah, I mean sure, but in the same way, I think the IDEA of armed resistance by ordinary citizens is a deterrent. According to google more people currently search for Luigi Mangione than Mario's brother.

zorg wrote:

Gramsci wrote: Fri Feb 06, 2026 10:31 am

zorg wrote: Fri Feb 06, 2026 9:59 am

Maybe you can expound on that, but I'm willing to bet a couple people in Minnesota would still be alive if ICE was armed only with information.

I’m more referring to the idea a citizen militia could prevent a tyrannical government in the US through the 2A.

I should probably have said “not the only weapon”. What I meant was all the dudes with an AR15 at home would never have the capacity to beat the government not just on toe to toe weapons and fire power, but the National Surveillance State would be so far ahead any resistance would be meaningless.

Alright thanks...yeah, I mean sure, but in the same way, I think the IDEA of armed resistance by ordinary citizens is a deterrent. According to google more people currently search for Luigi Mangione than Mario's brother.

Wondering how much of that is women (and gents), like this one girl I know, who just think he's hot. (I believe she voted for Cuomo in the NYC primaries.)

Mangione seems like just another mixed-up rich-kid spectacle than an articulated rebellion. And well, Americans, above all else, love a spectacle. (Social media amplifies that even more.)

Mangione also didn't deter much of anything. Insurance companies still seem to be acting like insurance companies, now bringing you even higher premiums
bolstered by Trump's Big Beautiful Bullshit. Even that extra dribble of Mangione-inspired security detailing for CEOs (a handy tax writeoff that the healthcare behemoths could well afford, no doubt) was sent packing mere months after the fact. It was almost instantly back to business as usual. Dude made Occupy Wall Street look like the Great Crusades.