Rick Reuben wrote:
Exactly, and the important point to remember is that Obama's personal integrity will not be put to trial if he ascends to the Presidency. Obama will not have the option of using his personal integrity as a rudder to steer the course of America. Obama and Clinton and GWB are passengers. Our economic policy and our military policy and our social policy are determined by unelected individuals. Not only can you not vote them in or out, you can barely find out who they are, or if you find out who they are, you will find lies upon lies about what they do.

The USA is governed by a close cousin of fascism called corporatism. The agenda is set by the central bank, the multi-national corporations, the military-industrial complex, and their partners in the controlled media.

I'll describe the range of control that any President has over US policy, be they GOP or Democratic. Imagine a spectrum of ideology, with '0' representing the farthest left, and '10' representing the farthest right. '5' is the center. Every President you will ever see will fall between the numbers '4' and '6'. GWB is a 5.5. Obama may be a 4.5. The range between 4 and 6 is what is allowed by corporatism, to preserve the illusion of democracy and a two party adversarial system.

Now, if the controllers really have anointed Obama as the left wing counterbalance that will swing the pendulum back from the misery of Bush, that should worry you. If the controllers need to install a black man named Barack Obama as our new figurehead, that means that GWB has even worse crimes ahead of him. Think about it. Who would the controllers be more likely to stick with a punishing economic collapse right as he takes office than a black man named Barack Obama? That's some serious palate cleansing.

Just remember your history: after the roaring 20's of greed, who headed the cavalry that came to rescue the common man just enough so that they wouldn't rise up in class warfare? FDR. If Obama is being groomed as the Black FDR, something very bad is in the offing, like a dollar collapse or a debt default.

If the machine is going to gift us with an honest man as our next President, then everything we suspect about what Bush has done to America is probably true.

Chicago Tribune, 4-20-08 wrote:How broke were Obamas? Hard to tell

The Obamas often say they would still be in debt if not for his best-selling books, which began to swell the couple's bank account in 2005. In fact, for some period of time, Michelle Obama tells audiences, the couple's college loan payments cost them more than their monthly mortgage.

As young lawyers, the Obamas pursued non-profit or public service during much of the 1990s. Obama once said he was so broke when he arrived in Los Angeles for the Democratic National Convention in 2000 that his credit card was rejected when he tried to rent a car.

Still, it's hard to tell just how broke they were, when and for how long.

Public records paint only part of the financial picture. In 1993 they bought a condominium in Hyde Park for $277,500, paying about $111,000 as a down payment, according to county real estate records.

As for income, they earned a combined household total of slightly more than $240,000 in 2000, according to tax records they have since made public. (Their income fluctuated in that range until 2005, when they reported earning $1.6 million.)

But it's unclear how much their college loan debts were, and aides to the Obama campaign said last week that they could not immediately provide records to clarify.

However, Michelle Obama graduated from Harvard Law School in 1988 and her husband graduated in 1991, around the time when the school's dean estimated the cost of a Harvard law degree at $62,200. They both also earned undergraduate degrees from Ivy League schools.

In 2005, though, Obama told the Tribune that royalties from his first book and advances on the next had cleared up his financial difficulties. The family moved into a $1.6 million home.

Minotaur029 wrote:He only got out of MASSIVE DEBT just recently when his book (The Audacity of Hope) became a best seller.

clocker bob wrote:I bet if Minotaur gets all crazyeyed when talking about Obama, like with Tom Cruise and Scientology.

Rick Reuben wrote:

Minotaur029 wrote:

clocker bob wrote:I bet if Minotaur gets all crazyeyed when talking about Obama, like with Tom Cruise and Scientology.

Huh?

Okay...so you're using mainstream media to disprove an item from another mainstream media source...and you accuse me of believing everything I read?

Half the country is carrying college loans, you dummy. You can stretch them out for thirty years if you have to, you clod. If Obama was in MASSIVE DEBT, why can't you tell me who he owed the money to, you dolt? Why did a bank write him a mortgage for a $277K condo in 1993 if he was ever in massive debt, you nimrod? $277K in 1993 is no shack, dopey.

Why is it hard for his staff to detail his college loans, assface? Why is Judicial Watch trying to make him cough up his disclosure statements from 1997-1999, pantysniffer?