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TylerDeadPine wrote: Sat May 24, 2025 12:58 am

llllllllllllllllllll wrote: Wed May 21, 2025 12:08 pm I want some kind of plugin that analyzes what outboard gear does to a given track, maybe something like how plugin doctor is supposed to work, but for analog stuff. Ideas?

Partly for shits and giggles, but mostly because I am eternally curious about what my Midas Venice does to the sound.

I have a Venice and an hardware audio analyzer, if you do really want to know?

My prediction is without engaging eq it does almost nothing.

I have never bought a PA system for vocals for a band, I just had one that was around before.

If I'm buying one now, what should I know? How much megakilowattshurtzes do I need to hear myself?

Thank you!

Kniferide wrote: Sat May 24, 2025 3:03 am

mdc wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 10:47 pmMDR7506

I hate 7506's. I find them needlessly bright and they get hot on my ears. Spiral cables are an atrocity and the eventually flake and leave black flecks all over your face. I love Beyerdynamics 770 or 990 headphones for the comfort and a better Eq balance for wearing for long periods. Sound better. Feel better. No coiled cable bullshit.

All these things are true about the Sonys and I'll still plus one them as another recommendation. I don't find them to be OVERLY bright in any case unless my hearing damage is worse than I thought. I don't mind the spiral cable and it took my pair literally 15-20 years before they started to shed on the ear pads. You can replace them for $10. I don't notice the comfort issue myself, but everyone's head is shaped differently.

I've always been curious about the Beyer never tried them because unlike every other headphone that ate shit on me early on, these still work perfectly over 25 years later. Also the Beyer's are 2x the price.

For referencing w/ the Sony's, I get all the detail I miss on my monitors. We got a brand new pair at work to replace some ATs that shit the bed and they sound exactly like mine. IDK, I love 'em and consider them the best pair I've ever purchased even having spent more money on some that just up and died on me. Maybe I'd like the Beyer more but that's hard to envision.

Sony MDR-7506: Not Crap (for me)

Lu Zwei wrote: Sat May 24, 2025 2:38 pm I have never bought a PA system for vocals for a band, I just had one that was around before.

If I'm buying one now, what should I know? How much megakilowattshurtzes do I need to hear myself?

Thank you!

Is this for shows or practice? Do you have a mixer already? Mics, etc?

Not sure how available they are in EU, but I've recommended the EV ZLX series of powered speakers for quite some time as the best entry-level option and never had anyone come back angry at me for doing that. Powered speakers are the way for portable PA. They take slightly longer to setup because you need to run power and a mic cable from your mixer, but spares you from having to take up space w/outboard power amps.

That being said, if you're really trying to save bucks and don't have a mixer already, getting a used powered mixer head like a Mackie 808 and a pair of Yamaha S112 or S115 are usually cheap as chips

Oh, sorry. Practice only! And I would love to have the option to overdrive my vocals into it as well. Something like that dude from Unsane does it, How to that as well?

mdc wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 10:47 pmMDR7506

MDR7509

Better all round, though unavailable these days unless you find a pair second hand.

Lu Zwei wrote: Sat May 24, 2025 3:35 pm Oh, sorry. Practice only!

Yep see other post above! Small mixer + EV ZLX = good to go

Lu Zwei wrote: Sat May 24, 2025 3:35 pm
And I would love to have the option to overdrive my vocals into it as well. Something like that dude from Unsane does it, How to that as well?

Overdriven/distorted vocals in a live setting is a big ask and a whole huge death spiral of a rabbit hole & of course there's tons of ways of doing it. The easiest is not any different than getting distortion out of a guitar amp: Just like you would crank the preamp on an amp with a master volume, you just crank the gain/trim setting on your mixer and then only bring the fader up a tiny bit. Think of the gain/trim as the preamp setting and the faders as your master volumes.

The trouble here is that you can get used to this sound in the basement and never be able to convince a sound guy to do this for you live. I sure as fuck wouldn't.

You can use pedal crackers and adapters to do this too and just run into one of your unused distortion pedals you have lying around...but the feedback on vocals is usually not desirable there either. Same thing applies, sound guys will get (probably rightfully) shitty about this in most situations.

The safer/better way to do it is to get an inline vocal effects unit that does it. Some do this fairly convincingly and some do it extremely poorly. But good or bad, it's usually more manageable than the other methods. Unfortunately I don't have a recommendation in this area. Do some googling for effects units that do this at the price you want and then check out some youtube demos. Even then, some sound guys get really weird about when people bring their own vocal effects units which is kinda nonsense IMO.

Thank you very much, kind sir!

TylerDeadPine wrote: Sat May 24, 2025 12:58 am

llllllllllllllllllll wrote: Wed May 21, 2025 12:08 pm I want some kind of plugin that analyzes what outboard gear does to a given track, maybe something like how plugin doctor is supposed to work, but for analog stuff. Ideas?

Partly for shits and giggles, but mostly because I am eternally curious about what my Midas Venice does to the sound.

I have a Venice and an hardware audio analyzer, if you do really want to know?

Sure, if it’s all handy and not too much trouble to look. I guess I was primarily interested what happens to tracks going in thru a line input and then out the master out - I only use the individual track outs for monitoring. Still going to check on my setup but getting my ass kicked by an 8-week accounting class at the moment.