BadComrade wrote: Not to mention, NORAD's radar doesn't scan -inside- the US, they project -outward- looking for incoming attacks, not attacks from within.

If NORAD doesn't train for homegrown attacks, then why is there a war game exercise called Vigilant Guardian that is designed to respond to hijacked jetliners? And why was it running on 9/11/01?

If NORAD doesn't prepare for attacks from within, then who does? Chuck Norris? I hope it's Chuck Norris. He's awesome.

Hey, not to be a dick.

But it was a B-25 mitchell that crashed into the empire state building.
A medium sized bomber from WW2.

Not a B-52, which is a long range bomber mainly used in the cold war.
Dr. Strangelove anybody?

oh yeah, and it's fucking huge.

1945 plane crash

At 9:49 a.m. on Saturday July 28, 1945, a B-25 Mitchell bomber accidentally crashed into the north side between the 79th and 80th floors, where the offices of the National Catholic Welfare Council were located. The fire was extinguished in 40 minutes. 14 people were killed in the accident. [1]

Oh, and don't start on the Catholic conspiracy theory.



Entertaining thread.

BadComrade-

I'd love to sit and have a point-by-point discussion with you, but I just can't do it. I'd rather not sit here and try and convince someone or have someone try to convince me about something that's only going to lead to me getting upset and frustrated at work.

You disagree, that's fine. However, since you don't have all the answers yourself (nobody does), I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't paint the people who question whether this administration could and would attack its own citizens for personal gain and political leverage as crackpots. It's happened before - maybe not in the U.S. (up for debate) - so what's to say it can't happen again?

That is all. I'm glad I watched this movie - it supports things I already believed. But I don't want to sit here and debate it. Others can, though, and I will follow along.

BadComrade wrote:I'd love to see them all hold a press conference. I know if I was "working in a factory" and someone on the other side of the world was saying that I was a dead terrorist, I'd get ahold of an independent news agency and you know... clear that shit up.

BBC News good enough for you?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 558669.stm

Mohammad Atta's father has told anyone who would listen that his son is also alive, for what that might be worth to you.

Ah, tinfoil. Dare I risk the shiny helmet of shame?

Having eyes, ears and a television, I must, but only by asking a very fair question.

I think it is fair and far from enfoilment to ask why and how WTC 7 was demolished on purpose by its owner.

We should base this question on no other observation that the building's owner went on television (2002, PBS, "America Rebuilds") and plainly stated he and FDNY demolished WTC 7 on purpose.

Larry Silverstein, the putative owner of WTC 7 said of it "we...made that decision to pull and watched the building collapse" ("pull" is demolition parlance for implosive demolition.)

I saw and heard him say this myself. Why here, give it a try.

So nobody else wants to know why he said that or how it was done?



-r

I haven't seen this documentary, but as an engineer (transportation with admittedly limited structural knowledge) I'd say that a lot of the points raised in the linked BYU professor's paper are interesting and quite valid.

If a college professor from an accredited university can challenge the official explanation with scientific facts then the issue should be looked into further, especially if he has some backing which it appears he does.

It sounds to me like the maker of this documentary was in over his head a bit with the subject matter and therefore becomes an easy target.

What do you think of this guy's paper, BadComrade?

BadComrade wrote:I don't even need to argue with Clocker Bob anymore... I think it's obvious to everyone here that he proves my point for me better than I ever could.

Ahh, the withdrawal from the argument tactic; good strategy. I guarantee that I'm outnumbered, but I'm not alone, so you might want to rethink your claim that "everyone" is on your side. Do you have enough insults to go around if you need to attack three or four dissenters? You've already used some of your best ammo, I'm afraid.

BadComrade wrote:Oh, and Bob... are you sure that the Oklahoma City bomb was "100 feet" away from the building? I seem to remember it being parked up against the sidewalk, right next to the building.

Look again. Do you remember the distance from truck to building as well as you remembered the distance between WTC7 and the Two Towers or the number of transponders turned off or the NORAD war game or the living hijackers?

There was substantial plaza between the curb of the street and the Murrah building. I'll venture to say that those fuel bombs couldn't have snapped those concrete pillars if they were strapped directly to them, but I don't have to make that claim because the truck was across a plaza. And your sandbags focussing the blast claim is silly- you'd need a lead housing to do that, maybe.

you do know about the two seismic occurences recorded that morning, right? The big one and then the Uhaul?

BadComrade wrote:The bomb in the truck was a directional charge, so it was essentially "aimed" at the building. Explosions take the path of least resistance. If you have a bomb with sandbags on one side, and nothing on the other, the blast is going to go in the opposite direction than the sandbags, etc.

I'm a shame to see that you buy in to all of these consipracy theories, but hey, it's entertaining for the rest of us.

You debate like Rush Limbaugh, who is also a giant fatuous asswipe.

BadComrade wrote:Do you like the band Anti-Flag by any chance?

Another fishing expedition, like the age question? I like cookies and milk before bedtime.

clocker bob wrote:You've already used some of your best ammo, I'm afraid.

*hrmph*


reused.

Goddammit, I can't look away.

BadComrade, what's your take on the Project for the New American Century? Here is their website: http://www.newamericancentury.org

And here is a Wikipedia page about them with more info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_fo ... an_Century

BadComrade wrote:
C-Bob, I'll get back to you when I have time... I actually have more important things to do at the moment.

Okay, I'll make this my last post for today as well.

BadComrade wrote: I really didn't want to respond to any more of your posts because they're just so easy to shut down...

According to my records, you've got a backlog of about five posts awaiting rebuttal. so I'll grant you 24 hours, 72, whatever you ask for.

Here's something to read while you're regrouping:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCH ... tibla.html

Don't make the mistake of reading it so quickly that you think it's Benton Partin's paper on the OKC blast. It's a discussion of US Air Force testing intended to disprove the Partin assertions. It didn't go so well.

I was wrong about the width of the plaza; it was more like 15 feet. I'm a litle rusty on OKC, because there was this other mass murder I've been looking at. Sorry. There were still internal charges in the Murrah building. If anything, there's more glaring evidence disproving that official story than WTC1, 2, and 7.

Bad Comrade, if you come back with anything, please grace those who have weighed in on WTC7 in this thread with a more complete explanation of that collapse, I think they deserve it.