rayj wrote:

Mark Hansen wrote:The first time I saw "Salo", at the Music Box Theatre in Chicago, there was someone in the row in front of me snickering through the whole movie. I think this person was pretty turned by the movie. I think I found that more disturbing then the movie itself.

A friend of mine is the gay. He likes 'Salo' for its 'shock' content, for...well, porn reasons. He wasn't even aware of Pasolini's genuine angle. Oh well, different folks...

That same time I saw Salo at the Music Box, I saw it with 2 friends of mine, both of whom are gay. After leaving the movie, in the car, we were all stunned into silence by the movie.

Boombats wrote:

Rimbaud III wrote:

Mouthpiece wrote:

punk wrote:was cannibal holocaust the one with the snake that chokes the tied up animal?

You're thinking of Cannibal Ferox, which, while disturbing, is nowhere near Cannibal Holocaust.

I'm thinking of Cannibal Xerox, and how when this is made - by me - it will be the best film about a photocopier that eats other photocopiers the world has ever seen.

Ace. I think it should include a scene where a guy's photocopying his ass and gets his intestines sucked through the screen and shot out the paper slot with pie charts printed all over it.

Actually, inkeeping with the spirit of this thread, I'm thinking of making it a sombre examination of abusive familial relationships - as performed by photocopiers. The 'Cannibal' aspect of the story is really only metaphorical. It's the relationships that are cannibalistic. All this with photocopiers.

This is one of the most disturbing things I have ever seen (and yeah, I saw Salo).

Boombats wrote:Cannibal Holocaust is fucked up. I'm not into watching people kill random animals. However what was awesome was the incidental music. Every time something horrible happened there was this synth sound, "Doow deew doow deew" that totally trivialized the extreme violence in a truly captivating way. Fucking Germans.

I have to see all of the films mentioned above. Video nasties, gore galore!

Senor Boombats,
I'm not into watching animals get killed for the sake of film either. The director was against all the animal killing, however, the producer insisted the scenes be shot. It would be much more truthful of you to say "Fucking Italians", since the film is Italian made. The "Doow Deew Doow Deew" is part of Riz Ortolani's score for the film (which is actually really great). Animal killings are not. All the synthesizer "Peew" noises with the delay on them did get kind of annoying when people were being killed. Anyway, I love Italian horror films...

rayj mentioned Men Behind The Sun. This is also a profoundly disturbing film.

I would also reccomend Beyond The Darkness (found in a big puff box at Mom + Pop video stores as Buried Alive... not the one released by Universal, it'll have a blue girl on the cover who looks like shes in a coffin, if any of you try looking for it.)

What about Tetsuo? Tetsuo is a fucked up (yet, very well made) film...

I saw "Emperor Tomato Ketchup" recently, and I don't reccomend anyone else does unless you're REALLY curious. Its a strange japanese short film which borderlines on child porn and is very disturbing in a very avant-garde way.

The Cannibal Xerox stuff made me laugh alot.

Trophy Moose wrote:
"A Hole In My Heart by Lukas Moodysson.

That's one bleak, dispiriting movie right there.

I fucking loved it."


The two kids playing on the roof in the crap wings at the end.

I think you're thinking of Lilya 4-Ever.

Yeah, you're right. Thanks. I saw Moodysson mentioned and leapt in without thinking. I'd seen a couple of his other films, Fucking Amal, and the one set in the commune and really liked them. Got Lilya and was just floored. That he might have made a film that's even more emotionally bleak is quite something.

Boombats wrote:

Rimbaud III wrote:I'm thinking of Cannibal Xerox, and how when this is made - by me - it will be the best film about a photocopier that eats other photocopiers the world has ever seen.

Ace. I think it should include a scene where a guy's photocopying his ass and gets his intestines sucked through the screen and shot out the paper slot with pie charts printed all over it.

Someone make the pitch to Troma.

Have any of you cats seen either of the Guinea Pig movies? Devil's Experiment, Flowers of Flesh and Blood? There are a few of them.

From what I can gather they are just hour and a half long shaky films of a girl being tortured in really strange ways. I remember at one point the captor pouring a bucket of maggots over the bound girl?

Not really as disturbing as some of the above mentioned films, but they do really make you scratch your head and ask "why?"

Begotten. Ugh.

lemur68 wrote:

Boombats wrote:

Rimbaud III wrote:I'm thinking of Cannibal Xerox, and how when this is made - by me - it will be the best film about a photocopier that eats other photocopiers the world has ever seen.

Ace. I think it should include a scene where a guy's photocopying his ass and gets his intestines sucked through the screen and shot out the paper slot with pie charts printed all over it.

Someone make the pitch to Troma.

Well, some friends and I were in Toxic Avenger IV, and I think my bro Andy has Lloyd Kaufman's digits, so maybe!

I have copies of the entire Guinea Pig series. They're pretty goofy.

I like Flower of Flesh and Blood and Devil's Experiment quite a lot, as far as fake snuff movies go. The former is more convincing and less comical than the latter, though neither of them is particularly convincing. Both are sufficiently entertaining.

He Never Dies is very funny and great. It is intended to be comedy.

Devil Woman Doctor is pretty awful. It's Troma-style violence/humor, which I have no use for.

Hunchback of Notre Dame is pretty batty, and Mermaid in a Manhole is pretty depressing, plot-wise. It is gore-heavy, if you care about that sort of thing.

The on-screen killing of animals is pretty much standard throughout the entire late-'70s/early-'80s Italian cannibal cycle. I am not a fan of seeing animals killed for entertainment, but I wouldn't say I'm disturbed by it.

It has been argued that Cannibal Ferox is a more brutal, cynical film than Cannibal Holocaust, because ...Holocaust makes a half-assed stab at social commentary or media criticism. This argument does not hold much water with me. Exploitation is exploitation, but it's very entertaining.

In any case, I am a fan of these Eye-talian cannibal movies in spite of the pretty indefensible animal-killing-as-entertainment, but I don't think they're "disturbing."

It seems like most things that are calculated to shock end up being really cheesy and embarrassing.

WoundedFoot wrote:It would be much more truthful of you to say "Fucking Italians", since the film is Italian made.

Oops! I just remembered the characters being German. My bust.


Anyway I have both German and Italian blood so I don't feel bad.