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Gramsci wrote:I'm thinking in terms of Real Politik. It is reality that Israel will not stand for a nuclear Iran. The US know the shit storm that will sweep the region/world if Israel turn Tehran's nuclear sites into big glass ashtrays in the sand.


Actually I think the arab regimes will be silently grateful if Israel were to destroy Tehran's nuclear sites. One should keep in mind the animosity between arabs and persians. If Israel destroys Iran's nuclear program, it saves Saudi Arabia and Egypt from a nuclear arms race against their non-jewish arch enemy.

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Grenouille wrote:
Gramsci wrote:I'm thinking in terms of Real Politik. It is reality that Israel will not stand for a nuclear Iran. The US know the shit storm that will sweep the region/world if Israel turn Tehran's nuclear sites into big glass ashtrays in the sand.


Actually I think the arab regimes will be silently grateful if Israel were to destroy Tehran's nuclear sites. One should keep in mind the animosity between arabs and persians. If Israel destroys Iran's nuclear program, it saves Saudi Arabia and Egypt from a nuclear arms race against their non-jewish arch enemy.


Very good point.

The Middle East and/or the "Muslim World" - whatever that means - is not a homogeneous mass. The Persians aren't exactly an Arab loving bunch and share little beyond the same religion - Islam in Persia is a forced Arab import -.

Commentators, politicians etc. have a lazy tendency to lump groups that have competing agendas under a comfortable umbrella. The group may share an apparent "common front' to the outsider looking in, as is the case with something like a religion. But often with these groups, when they aren't feeling threatened or observed by an outside group, they have very competing ideas.
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Grenouille wrote:No need for a Wehrmacht if you have the bomb. Who needs the SS if you basicly have Auschwitz in a Suitcase and the means to deliver it?


You have to understand that Rick/Bob works on the principle:

"Since the USA is so fucking evil, anything anyone else does is fine, if they don't like the USA since the USA is so fucking evil anything anyone else does is fine, as long as..."

Read this in your head in a Derek Zoolander voice.
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Popular Mechanics Report of 9-11

NIST Investigation of the World Trade Center Disaster

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sparky wrote:

For Christ Allah Buddha and Satan's sake, you seem determined to paint the country in the exact same stupid one-eyed light that 95% of Western media depictions do.

Again: the point of this thread was to be informative and offer a corrective to this incessant highlighting of the disgusting extremes of Iran.


1. I really don't see any evidenced about me being determined to paint Iran any which way. Nor do I see this bit about 95% of western media depictions.... specific to Iran. Media is such a broad term, if you mean news, yeah bad news makes headlines.

Also the premise of "incessant highlighting" is actually an opinion, not a base fact that the rest is built on.
Not really sure what you are so worked up about.

Do we need pics of people planting flowers in L.A. to counteract all the "highlighting" of murder?

I did a 'sanity check' (non scientific not statistically relevant peek) on my notion that we are not bombarded w/ overly negative images on iran compared to other countries. Google iran images.. the 2nd image
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more average looking people doing average looking things

This was # 18 when I googled "america"
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Rick Reuben wrote:Unbelievable. It's like some of you people are robots. Once the bad data is in your hard disk, it's there forever. Do you speak Farsi, grenouille? People who do have DISPROVED the statement you refer to. I've posted the accurate translation of Ahmadinejad's words at least three times on this forum. If you want to stubbornly ignore the truth of this 'wipe Israel off the map' propaganda and instead, cling to an inaccurate translation used by the Empire to fan the flames for a pre-emptive attack in response to a thought crime that never happened, then you're obviously more of a crazed warmonger than I want to waste time on.


Yeah, so Ahmadinejad wants the "zionist regime to disappear from the pages of time". That's sooo much better than the "wrong translation". I'm sure he will just pray and fast until it disappears, like Gandhi.

So, help me out. What are the "correct" translations of his other quotes:

The Islamic umma will not allow its historic enemy to live in its heartland

Anyone who signs a treaty which recognises the entity of Israel means he has signed the surrender of the Muslim world

Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury.

There is no doubt that the new wave in Palestine will soon wipe off this disgraceful blot from the face of the Islamic world.

Is it possible for us to witness a world without America and Zionism? You should know that this slogan, this goal, can certainly be achieved.


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Rick Reuben wrote:You stay in your FOX News world, and keep insisting that this, this, this and this will happen between Iran and Israel when you don't have the evidence to support any of it.

I'll never let people with the moral standing of the Bush administration sell me a second war. You've heard of the expression, "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me"? If you let Olmert and Bush fool you on Iran, then the shame is on you.


Ay, shame on me. And if you're mistaken, shame on you. And nuclear war on the middle east. Stay in your closed world in which all evil in the world comes from the USA and go on trusting Ahmadinejad's and the iranian government's peacefulness. You're far away from the fallout if you're mistaken, and not much will happen to you.

Btw, the Bush administration has already sold you two wars, this would be the third.

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Grenouille, this thread is not for the propagandising of bombing Iran, or vice versa. As previously stated, this thread is for offering a counter to the current xenophobic set of images and perceptions that abound about the country.

Someone rather unsubtlely started one for war/not war arguments on another thread. I am pretty sure that your assertions that Ahmadinejad is a new Hitler are well met there. You might offer your own responses to those arguments, but I suggest reading the last few pages at least first in which some excellent links are offered (they're posted on this thread as well, in fact, but I have some doubt that anyone arguing for bombing has clicked them). Suffice to say that I think that your rather panicked attitude towards Iran might be eased by further reading.

Hexpane, did you read all of my post? I am afraid that I have run out of ways of trying to explain why I have a problem with a thread trying to widen peoples' perspective on Iran and Iranian people being continually hijacked by images of torture and murder. I'm puzzled by your claim that Iran does not suffer from disproprotionate negative stereotyping. Your "bad news makes the news" argument still does not account for the preponderance of negative images of Iran. That your and others reactions to the offering of a corrective was to post the same bad old images (and, in Bradley's case, Hitler the thread) is one proof of my point, I believe.
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