AlBStern wrote:Headline: Tigers eat Yankees

That could be the next Beckett/Lowell type deal inverted.

WTF was FLA smoking when they gave away Miggy Cab for free???

Tigers get Cab, and take the Dontrelle as baggage since most assume he will get SHELLED in the AL.

If it turns into Lowell / Beckett style trade, Miggy Cab will do so so in year 1, Dontrelle will put up a 6.50 ERA in year 1

Year 2 of the trade Miggy Cab wins the triple crown, and Dontrelle gets 17 wins and a 3.80 ERA

*If* it works out, totally worth the risk IMO for what they gave up

AlBStern wrote:Headline: Tigers eat Yankees

Headline: AL Central Fans Still Most Fascinated By Extra-Divisional Team They Play Six Times A Year

Hexpane wrote:

AlBStern wrote:Headline: Tigers eat Yankees

That could be the next Beckett/Lowell type deal inverted.

WTF was FLA smoking when they gave away Miggy Cab for free???

Tigers get Cab, and take the Dontrelle as baggage since most assume he will get SHELLED in the AL.

If it turns into Lowell / Beckett style trade, Miggy Cab will do so so in year 1, Dontrelle will put up a 6.50 ERA in year 1

Year 2 of the trade Miggy Cab wins the triple crown, and Dontrelle gets 17 wins and a 3.80 ERA

*If* it works out, totally worth the risk IMO for what they gave up

And if it turns into a Lowell/Beckett style trade, Florida will actually be getting the best player in the deal and will have to pay him next to nothing for 4 years.

What Florida was thinking is that they aren't going to be competitive over the next two years anyway, so there's no point in having Cabrera and Willis around making a lot of money just so the team has a realistic shot at winning 75 games. With Miller and Maybin, Florida could very well be getting the next Cabrera and Willis, and most importantly, those guys will be coming of age right when the rest of the team might have a shot to come of age with them. By that time, Cabrera would have been long gone, and there no way of knowing if you're even getting a major contribution from Willis.

Fucking Tigers. What a great trade for both teams.

Kenny Williams asleep at the wheel again. Or rather, the Sox decimated farm system left them in no position to pull off the trade Dombrowski made. I knew it was a stretch for them to get Miggy, but naively thought it was possible.

I think this trade works out great for both the Tigers and Marlins. The Marlins aren't going anywhere in 2008 and as already pointed out, the Tigers window of opportunity is now. Cabrera is 25 and Willis is 24. Assuming Willis was in a one-year funk, the Tigers could reap the benefits for the next 3 years or more. While the upside of Maybin was projected pretty high, I see that former can't-miss CF Corey Patterson was dumped by the Orioles. Better to get a proven commodity than wait for potential to develop.

This sucks if you are a Sox fan and makes the Central a much tougher division. Cleveland's window of opportunity is closing fast, too, with this move.

The Marlins are a fucking disgrace.

Gareth Keenan wrote:

Hexpane wrote:

AlBStern wrote:Headline: Tigers eat Yankees

That could be the next Beckett/Lowell type deal inverted.

WTF was FLA smoking when they gave away Miggy Cab for free???

Tigers get Cab, and take the Dontrelle as baggage since most assume he will get SHELLED in the AL.

If it turns into Lowell / Beckett style trade, Miggy Cab will do so so in year 1, Dontrelle will put up a 6.50 ERA in year 1

Year 2 of the trade Miggy Cab wins the triple crown, and Dontrelle gets 17 wins and a 3.80 ERA

*If* it works out, totally worth the risk IMO for what they gave up

And if it turns into a Lowell/Beckett style trade, Florida will actually be getting the best player in the deal and will have to pay him next to nothing for 4 years.

What Florida was thinking is that they aren't going to be competitive over the next two years anyway, so there's no point in having Cabrera and Willis around making a lot of money just so the team has a realistic shot at winning 75 games. With Miller and Maybin, Florida could very well be getting the next Cabrera and Willis, and most importantly, those guys will be coming of age right when the rest of the team might have a shot to come of age with them. By that time, Cabrera would have been long gone, and there no way of knowing if you're even getting a major contribution from Willis.

I won't argue w/ that but are you suggesting that Hanley Ramirez was the "best player in the trade" for Beckett/Lowell? Better than 3 world series MVPs?

Yngwie Einstein wrote:Assuming Willis was in a one-year funk

Willis's walk rates have risen for three years in a row. His HR rates jumped last year despite playing half of his games in a huge park. His day has come and gone.

Willis will probably win more games, but I'll put myself out there and declare that Miller will be a better pitcher than Willis by any reasonable measure of pitcher performance in 2008.

This sucks if you are a Sox fan

It sucks if you're a Sox fan, but not because of anything the Tigers have done.

Hexpane wrote:

Gareth Keenan wrote:

Hexpane wrote:

AlBStern wrote:Headline: Tigers eat Yankees

That could be the next Beckett/Lowell type deal inverted.

WTF was FLA smoking when they gave away Miggy Cab for free???

Tigers get Cab, and take the Dontrelle as baggage since most assume he will get SHELLED in the AL.

If it turns into Lowell / Beckett style trade, Miggy Cab will do so so in year 1, Dontrelle will put up a 6.50 ERA in year 1

Year 2 of the trade Miggy Cab wins the triple crown, and Dontrelle gets 17 wins and a 3.80 ERA

*If* it works out, totally worth the risk IMO for what they gave up

And if it turns into a Lowell/Beckett style trade, Florida will actually be getting the best player in the deal and will have to pay him next to nothing for 4 years.

What Florida was thinking is that they aren't going to be competitive over the next two years anyway, so there's no point in having Cabrera and Willis around making a lot of money just so the team has a realistic shot at winning 75 games. With Miller and Maybin, Florida could very well be getting the next Cabrera and Willis, and most importantly, those guys will be coming of age right when the rest of the team might have a shot to come of age with them. By that time, Cabrera would have been long gone, and there no way of knowing if you're even getting a major contribution from Willis.

I won't argue w/ that but are you suggesting that Hanley Ramirez was the "best player in the trade" for Beckett/Lowell? Better than 3 world series MVPs?

I'm not suggesting it, I'm saying it. Hanley Ramirez was possibly the best offensive player in the National League last year, and easily the most valuable offensive player given his position (of course, the downside to him is that he plays that position somewhat poorly). This is a guy who had basically the same slugging percentage as Albert Pujols and Miguel Cabrera, and did it while stealing 51 bases and playing shortstop. That's a rare find, to say the least. And he did this at 23 years old, in a pitcher's park, on the heels of a breakout season at age 22.

By pretty much any metric, he's been the best player over the last two years from that deal, and should continue to be the best player going forward by a widening amount. Which is not to say that the Red Sox shouldn't have done the deal -- obviously, they've gotten what they wanted out of it. But the Marlins live in this world where the phrase "cheap young talent" has ordinal significance, with talent sometimes an afterthought, and they've still managed to acquire a top-shelf superstar.

Gareth Keenan wrote:

Hexpane wrote:

Gareth Keenan wrote:

Hexpane wrote:

AlBStern wrote:Headline: Tigers eat Yankees

That could be the next Beckett/Lowell type deal inverted.

WTF was FLA smoking when they gave away Miggy Cab for free???

Tigers get Cab, and take the Dontrelle as baggage since most assume he will get SHELLED in the AL.

If it turns into Lowell / Beckett style trade, Miggy Cab will do so so in year 1, Dontrelle will put up a 6.50 ERA in year 1

Year 2 of the trade Miggy Cab wins the triple crown, and Dontrelle gets 17 wins and a 3.80 ERA

*If* it works out, totally worth the risk IMO for what they gave up

And if it turns into a Lowell/Beckett style trade, Florida will actually be getting the best player in the deal and will have to pay him next to nothing for 4 years.

What Florida was thinking is that they aren't going to be competitive over the next two years anyway, so there's no point in having Cabrera and Willis around making a lot of money just so the team has a realistic shot at winning 75 games. With Miller and Maybin, Florida could very well be getting the next Cabrera and Willis, and most importantly, those guys will be coming of age right when the rest of the team might have a shot to come of age with them. By that time, Cabrera would have been long gone, and there no way of knowing if you're even getting a major contribution from Willis.

I won't argue w/ that but are you suggesting that Hanley Ramirez was the "best player in the trade" for Beckett/Lowell? Better than 3 world series MVPs?

I'm not suggesting it, I'm saying it. Hanley Ramirez

By pretty much any metric, he's been the best player over the last two years from that deal, .

Any metric? How about World Series MVPs? Believe me I was crushed when they dumped the "future HOF SS" Hanley. It turns out he is not really a SS and is probably better suited to LF or 1b if he can ever learn those positions.

You really think a no position having player like Hanley is better than Josh Beckett? based on Slugging %? He is ranked as the worst defensive short stops in the entire MLB... Big Papi could prolly play a better SS than Hanley has, even as a lefty ROFL.

Hows that for a metric, THE ABSOLUTE WORST SS in the league defensively, not bad, no so so, not "as good as derek jeter" the ABSOLUTE BOTTOM OF THE BARREL WORST.

Now obviously he is a + + offensive player w/ HR and steals... but he has proven that he really should not be a SS at the major league level.

Beckett has been the best post season pitcher in recent memory, and also dominated in 2007 having a career year, actually improving upon his "ace-ness"

In 2006 a lot of boston fans thought we got duped when Beckett got shelled w/ a 5.+ ERA, turns out that was a real "adjustment" year after all, not just a NL hotshot coming down to earth in the big daddy AL.

I wont argue that Hanley is a great offensive player at a great value, but his defense is atrocious and calling him better than a 2 time world series MVP, ACLS 07 MVP and the first pitcher in 2007 to get to 20 wins?

I guess if you don't value starting pitching you could say that, and since its the NL starting pitching really doesnt matter that much to the B league