solum wrote:

Gramsci wrote:
godboy.

I don't believe in God, so you can quit the ad hominem attacks. I am attacking the fact that you don't make arguments.

Try refuting what I'm saying and we can have a debate. All you've done is the usual theistic shite that involves attacking the person because you know you haven't a fucking leg to stand on in a rational and logical debate.

Dick.

I can't debate with you about the existence of God, because I don't believe in God, the Bible or Jesus Christ. However, I do think your "arguments" (such as they are) are stupid and completely unfounded.

Actually my original point, which you came in on, was questioning the history that Christians claim as fact, and threw in a couple of personal observations that I thought were pertinent... You then came flying in, out of nowhere, sword in one hand, dick in the other. I don't remember insulting you and I can't understand why you were so rude to me for trying to have a discussion with some of the free-thinkers on the board about the history of Christianity and the apparent self-denial that all Christians seem to live with concerning the real history of their faith. Sure I'm an aggressive asshat with theists, but only because trying to get a rational conversation out of someone like Mathew is totally impossible. As far as I can see you fall into the typical trap of giving Christians some kind of respect just because criticising faith is some kind of taboo.

Again you didn't address or add to the discussion you continued to ad hominem along. Did it occur to you that the reason I had a snip at you personally was because even in your initial retort (sic) you didn't address the points I'd made. note: "points" I made, not assertions of fact; points to which discussion was invited. But you thought being a cunt was more productive. If you think the points I raised are "unfounded", shoot, unfound them, don't just say it.

As for "I don't believe in God, so can't debate the existence of God"... well I'll leave it up to you to go back to your room and consider just how retarded this statement is.

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solum wrote:So I am a "Dick" and have been "being a cunt".

Hey! I'm an "insufferable bitch"!

We should get together and play squash!

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A while ago, I went to see an exhibition of depictions of Jesus at the National Gallery, where I saw Velazquez's Christ after the Flagellation. The technicality of the painting is astonishing. Christ's gaze in the picture is very direct, and as I looked into his eyes I actually started crying. Make of that what you will.



The reason I was so affected was something to do with the fact that Velazquez has chosen to depict Jesus as such a physically beautiful man. In visual terms this magnifies the suffering. I think this was communicated to me so acutely that I felt emotionally overwhelmed.



(Click on image to view more closely)

Conversely, Grünewald's crucifixion, from the Isenheim altarpiece, shows Jesus's body in a state of decrepitude, corporal decay and agonising torture. His body is covered in sores and is contorted in pain. The altarpiece was in fact painted for a church that specifically treated lepers. Grünewald wanted to show the lepers that christ shared in their suffering, hoping they would gain succour from this.



Whatever the veracity of the story of Christ, the profundity of the sentiment is undeniable. It is clearly a sentiment that resonates through time.

Not Crap.

Best post of the thread, Mr. Cranius.

Each man to his own personal Jesus. Yours is the Iconographic 16th- & 17th- Century Art Masterpiece Jesus.

This is a pretty good Jesus.

Andrew L. wrote:Best post of the thread, Mr. Cranius.

Each man to his own personal Jesus. Yours is the Iconographic 16th- & 17th- Century Art Masterpiece Jesus.

This is a pretty good Jesus.

The Jim White film Searching for the Wrong-eyed Jesus explores this theme of the personal Jesus. He searches for the most fucked-up Jesus, in the most fucked-up godforsaken church he can find.

(Click link for the trailer)

Thanks Cranius!

What a great trailer. Some of the layering of voice and multiple songs in the soundtrack is really beautiful. Reminded me of my own trip through the American south. The biker bars, the speaking in tongues, the Jesus in the trunk.


Even Santa gets a Jesus. And look how delighted he is about it.

Andrew L. wrote:Even Santa gets a Jesus. And look how delighted he is about it.

Andrew 'ell,

That depiction of Santa and Jesus appears to be nothing more than a cheaply rendered ceramic figurine. I am fooled by none of these shenanigans.

Furthermore, the child in this figurine appears to be Caucasian. If that is the case, then this child is clearly not Jesus.

With myrrhth,
Brad

Bradley R. Weissenberger wrote:Furthermore, the child in this figurine appears to be Caucasian. If that is the case, then this child is clearly not Jesus.

I believe that child is supper. Santa is clearly saying "grace."