fiery jack wrote:you know the deal nerblybear... no dick, no arguments.

Wow. No shit. Hillary's FUCKED.

fiery jack wrote:Do you really expect people to accept that your thought process, in between being agog and puking up, were "No way am I callin' The Man on these hard-working American Joes"?

You must have missed the part where I admitted that what I was doing was providing a rational justification for a split-second decision, albeit that the decision was not reached by means of going through the thoughts beforehand. This sort of thing is useful for figuring out how to handle future contingencies, not for exonerating past misdeeds or patting oneself on the back for good deeds. There's a key difference here that it's necessary to keep in mind.

But, even if you didn't, I think I can safely say that it had more than a little to do with it, as sick as the confrontation made me. I dislike cops and I generally dislike calling them for any reason at all. Hence, that probably factored into my behavior, regardless of the fact that an extensive logical deduction didn't take place.

nerbly wrote:Rather than get into a dispute where I suggest that you're trying to garner support from EA's Class War crew given that, if your claimed inexperience is anything to go by, you know FUCK ALL about the police first hand, I'll just ask you to revisit your statement and make a mature decision on whether or not it was a remotely sensible thing to say, and whether you choose to remain 100% behind the suggestion that the majority of policefolks are sadistic and stupid, relative to the populace.

Now you're just being an idiot. Your pronouncement rests on the fallacious assumption that someone needs to have extensively associated with a given group of people in order to make inductive and broad generalizations about them. By your "logic," I can't admit that most record executives can't be trusted, or that the Taliban were almost all lunatics. Even when I explicitly admit that the generalization isn't a total one, and that there are exceptions to any rule.

nerbly wrote:In my experience, most of the time, *potential* criminals would have gotten moved on, not had their entire , doubtless glowing, careers wrested from them. They might even have been stopped from realising their potential and becoming *actual* criminals, who in this instance (i.e. mob violence) get what they deserve.
think on son, and unzip your shorts whilst you're at it, provided that they aren't as full of shit as your current persona.

Now you're really twisting your trains of thought into a cute little pretzel.

This is, in essence, what you seem to be saying:

"If cops are called merely because people are arguing and pointing fingers at each other in the middle of the street, this decision can be justified by the probability that the cops' presence won't create unexpected consequences for the people involved in the dispute, even though we must expect that the disputants might either (a) be physically abused, or (b) arrested for either disorderly conduct or drug possession or any of the other myriad of reasons that cops provide for the decision to arrest or abuse unruly disputants.

Furthermore, even if the disputants *had* been arrested or abused, this would have been a good kick-in-the-ass for them and might have changed their potential intentions for future criminal behavior for the better by arresting or mistreating them for having done nothing wrong in the first place."

I'd love an explanation for how such ass-backward reasoning could come from someone who is usually an intelligent guy. When did Fiery Jack take notes from the Clocker Bob "Logic for Dummies" book? I had hoped that his influence had been flushed out by my exposure of his nonsense. Come on, guy, you're usually on the ball.

I'm having a bad week.

Now it's getting late, I've got my ironing to do, and you've let loose with your sesquipedalian proclivities to the extent that my eyes are bouncing offa the page; forgive me if I don't catch everything.

I know plenty of cops, went to school with plenty, nearly had one as a brother-in-law. Not keen on them all, in fact I used to come out with the same sort of generalisations as you have, possibly because I felt partially that my lifestyle would be under threat if they knew what I was up to. That's no longer a problem in my mid-thirties, at least maybe only once a month or so, and now the police are generally the poor bastards who had to deal with the several-times-a-night kickings and beatings that took place at weekends outside my place when I lived in SW London. Over countless incidents there, I saw nothing but restraint, often in the face of pretty heavy provocation. I'd certainly refute your view of what was likely to happen if cops showed up: maybe it was the fear of paperwork, but my lot went out of their way to avoid making work (for the most part). In fact, I'd rather they'd made more of an effort to cart the fucking chumps away.

This wasn't Chicago mind you.

Anyway, my point is, for the most part, they're just people with stressful jobs, not some personification for everything you see as threatening about the future. And if people are making noise and keeping me awake, then fuck 'em.

Wait, wait, wait. I think I've found the solution to this entire breakdown of communication.

Do you live in England?

Because, if you do, then that explains our divergent conceptions of general police behavior.

American and English society are as different as Key Lime pie and refried beans, even though we both speak the King's English. Crazy, but true. I've been to England, and I'm not constantly freaked out and driven to near-psychosis by your civilized and intelligent citizenry.

If you go to Atlanta or Baltimore or the South Side of Chicago, you'll see what I mean. You'll want to carry a knife, just as I'm planning to do when I move to downtown in Atlanta in a month or so.

Seriously, this whole place is fucking bonkers. It astonishes me every day.

NerblyBear wrote:Wait, wait, wait. I think I've found the solution to this entire breakdown of communication.

Do you live in England?

Because, if you do, then that explains our divergent conceptions of general police behavior.

American and English society are as different as Key Lime pie and refried beans, even though we both speak the King's English. Crazy, but true. I've been to England, and I'm not constantly freaked out and driven to near-psychosis by your civilized and intelligent citizenry.

If you go to Atlanta or Baltimore or the South Side of Chicago, you'll see what I mean. You'll want to carry a knife, just as I'm planning to do when I move to downtown in Atlanta in a month or so.

Seriously, this whole place is fucking bonkers. It astonishes me every day.

If you're stupid enough to carry a knife, you are going to end up having your own knife stuck in your chest or the side of your head, since you don't really seem like someone who would actually carry out your threat if you brandished your knife. I mean, you say YOU THREW UP when you witnessed violence FROM THE SAFETY OF YOUR WINDOW.

People like you end up having there own knife shoved up their ass.

If you ever pull a weapon on someone, you better be prepared to use it, or you have already lost the fight.

Mark Hansen wrote:If you ever pull a weapon on someone, you better be prepared to use it, or you have already lost the fight.

indeed.
and never bring a fart to a shitting contest

I stabbed someone once, was disgusting. A bunch of...fat, I guess sprayed out of the wound like silly string, Makes me nauseous thinking about it right now. It's not pleasant by any stretch.
He played guitar for my metal abnd in like, 8th grade. We were always fighting, didn't get along with this dude at all. We were fighting and I had the knife out and said 'if you come at me again I'll fucking stab you' and he came at me and I stabbed him, he didn't press charges. He was fine, like 20 stitches. I wanna live my whole life without having to stab someone again.

fiery jack wrote:

Mark Hansen wrote:If you ever pull a weapon on someone, you better be prepared to use it, or you have already lost the fight.

indeed.
and never bring a fart to a shitting contest

indeed

Don't carry a knife.

Mark Hansen wrote:A bunch of nonsense

It's much less dangerous to "brandish" a knife than to point a gun at someone. If you do the latter, you risk being shot if he's carrying a gun. If you do the former, he will either (a) brandish his own knife if he has one, at which point you can run away, or (b) point a gun at you, at which point you can drop the knife and surrender, or (c) run away himself if he has no weapons.

If (c) happens, you just saved yourself from getting the shit beaten out of you and your wallet stolen. Good consequence. If (a) happens, the same will happen, because what you're really trying to figure out, if you get mugged, is if the other guy has a weapon, too. If he's just faking it, you get to keep your wallet and fair features, while he looks like an idiot. If (b) happens, you just give up your wallet and the guy both refrains from beating you up, and you don't get shot.

No one who doesn't have a weapon will engage in a physical conflict with someone who does have a knife. Period. It's just a retarded decision. Even if I'm not Bruce Lee, it makes no difference. The mugger doesn't know that.

Start thinking for a change. If you walk about at night in a violent city, you will probably get mugged at some point. The ideal thing is to escape with your life, your fair visage intact, and your full wallet. The least-ideal thing is to get killed, and then the second-least-ideal thing is to get your wallet ripped off, and then the third-least-ideal thing is to get your ass knocked out. Carrying a knife is the logically defensible choice.

You're an ass, and you need to think logically if you don't want to get shown up as an ass. Brains beats brawn in a mugging.

I wholeheartedly support the carrying of switchblades for residents of violent cities in which one walks around at night.

Nerbly, your pussy ass will get that knife taken away from you in about 4 seconds.
It dosen't matter anyway as you'd be scared stiff the second someone started fucking with you, you actually think you'd have the balls to pull a knife on some gangbanger who's robbing you?
Ha!
I'd like to see this

remember, you are just a little sissy rich kid who dosen't know shit about shit