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Matthew, have you read the last page or two of this thread? I think I posted this excerpt from this NYT article earlier in the thread:
In July 1999, the American Academy of Pediatrics and the Public Health Service released a joint statement urging vaccine makers to remove thimerosal as quickly as possible. By 2001, no vaccine routinely administered to children in the United States had more than half of a microgram of mercury - about what is found in an infant's daily supply of breast milk.


In regard to the link the article on Eli Lily, we discussed that as well. It doesn't surprise me that a huge powerful corporation like that buys legislation, and is trying to cover their ass. But this does not prove that mercury in vaccines causes autism.

If you're not familiar with Orrin Hatch and how the supplement industry influenced legislation with the DSHEA, you might want to take a gander. Here's a preview:
Hatch's DSHEA was passed in 1994 after an aggressive three-year lobbying campaign intended by the health-food industry to thwart FDA regulation of its products. That was after the New York Times had described an earlier version of the act as "The 1993 Snake Oil Protection Act."


Point being that it's not just the pharma companies that are buying influence, but the "alternative" remedy industry as well. Of course it's wrong no matter who does it.

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One doctor wouldn't sign it because he believed that my brother should be vaccinated, and that he wasn't convinced that the epilepsy was a result of his response to the vaccinations.


From the Epilepsy Research Foundation:
Researchers in Australia, led by the award-winning scientist
Professor Samuel Berkovic, noticed that in many of these cases, the types of seizures seen closely resembled another type of epilepsy called severe myoclonic epilepsy of infancy. This has a genetic basis: patients have altered versions of a gene called SCN1A. They therefore decided to test fourteen patients diagnosed with "vaccine encephalopathy" for this mutation.

Eleven out of the fourteen patients had a mutated version of the SCN1A gene. In nine cases, the patients' parents' DNA was available and was also tested: none of the mutations were inherited; they were all new mutations in the child's DNA. All fourteen patients' seizure symptoms were reassessed: all were found to have specific epilepsy syndromes which are not typically associated with damage due to vaccination.

The researchers, writing in the June issue of Lancet Neurology, concluded that cases of "vaccine encephalopathy" could in fact be cases of a genetically caused condition that had nothing to do with the vaccine. The gene mutation causing the condition is new, so that there is no history of epilepsy in the family of the patient. If these results are confirmed in larger studies, this could have major implications for the treatment of people believed to have "vaccine encephalopathy" and also for the perceived acceptability of vaccines across society.


Clearly this doesn't prove that vaccines can't cause epilepsy. But if there is not evidence of a direct link (again, causation, not merely correlation) between vaccines and epilepsy, I'm still skeptical. If anyone knows of any evidence, please post it. Meanwhile I'll look myself.

ETA: OK, at least one study has shown that there may be a slight increase in seizures after getting the MMR vaccine. I'd like to see further studies on this. But this is a dilemma, as M, M, and R are things we don't want our children to deal with either:
Measles, mumps, and rubella (German measles) are serious diseases. They spread when germs pass from an infected person to the nose or throat of another person.

Measles causes rash, cough, and fever. This disease can lead to ear infection, pneumonia, diarrhea, seizures (convulsions), brain damage, coma, and death.

Mumps causes fever, headache, and swollen glands under the jaw. This disease can lead to hearing loss, meningitis (infection of brain and spinal cord coverings), painful, swollen testicles in males, and sterility in male patients.

Rubella causes rash, swollen glands, and arthritis (mostly in women). Pregnant women can miscarry. Babies can be born with birth defects such as deafness, blindness, heart disease, brain damage, and other serious problems.


Is there a proven, safe, and effective way to prevent the above diseases other than the vaccine (sincere question, not rhetorical)? Does the bad outweigh the good? Should we ban any or all vaccines?
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clocker bob wrote:
juice wrote:Why would the rate rise if it's directly linked to a fixed amount in the vaccine? These are shots which are administered to everyone, and a percentage is already normalized to the exponential growth and decay of our population. An exponential increase on top of an exponential increase is scary, but if anything it might suggest against something like a fixed amount of mercury which is administered on a known constant basis, unless some other variable is increasing the risk- such as an increase(exponential or not, risk of something can be exponential as well as linear) year by year of the culprit.


Your paragraph has confused me. Are you arguing that the rise in cases three years after the increase in mercury in vaccines and then the decline in new cases following the reduction in mercury content ( the exponential increase in question ) does not indicate that the Thimoseral is the likely culprit? If all else is constant, what else should we be blaming?
Looking at the statistics, we have an exponential rise in autism incidence resulting from a fixed amount of vaccination.
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If the incidence is increasing exponentially, one would conclude that the environmental cause of the disorder would also be increasing. Otherwise there would be a single jump after the input grows (say, vaccinations with trace Hg begin) and a constant proportion after that. Judging by the chart, there is no decrease in incidence of autism, nor any decrease in proportional incidence of autism. Basically, it doesn't make sense for the graph to be doing what it is doing if we're claiming the cause was a fixed input (thimoseral).
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newberry wrote:In regard to the link the article on Eli Lily, we discussed that as well. It doesn't surprise me that a huge powerful corporation like that buys legislation, and is trying to cover their ass. But this does not prove that mercury in vaccines causes autism.


Of course it doesn't.

I stated that it seems strange that Senator First introduced a hidden provision directly relating to this issue into a security bill back in 2002, especially if mercury is safe as they claim.

Let me make this sound more dramatic. Mercury is the second most toxic element behind plutonium. It's the third most hazardous substance.

So you then inject it into a child's blood stream. Childern receive vaccinations, not vaccination. Double or triple those maximum level dosages per shot in one day. It's stupid, not only based on what we don't know about the extent mercury poisoning but what we do.
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skeptigirl wrote:Mercury has been removed from the majority of childhood vaccines and the rates of autism have not decreased as a result.


Wrong.

Drug companies began claiming they were reducing the amount of thimerosal in vaccines back in 1999. Some drug makers said there was only a trace amount of mercury in their products and others claimed they are producing mercury-free vaccines.

Wanting to determine whether mercury was truly absent from vaccines today, the group, Health Advocacy in the Public Interest (HAPI), recently sent 4 vaccines off to be tested. The test results showed that all four vials contained mercury, despite claims by two drug makers that their products were totally mercury free.


from here
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Matthew Taylor wrote:
skeptigirl wrote:Mercury has been removed from the majority of childhood vaccines and the rates of autism have not decreased as a result.


Wrong.

Drug companies began claiming they were reducing the amount of thimerosal in vaccines back in 1999. Some drug makers said there was only a trace amount of mercury in their products and others claimed they are producing mercury-free vaccines.

Wanting to determine whether mercury was truly absent from vaccines today, the group, Health Advocacy in the Public Interest (HAPI), recently sent 4 vaccines off to be tested. The test results showed that all four vials contained mercury, despite claims by two drug makers that their products were totally mercury free.


from here


Hmm, any other sources for this? HAPI's site seems a wee bit sketchy--do you know much about them? Their own description of having the vaccines tested doesn't sound terribly scientific: http://www.hapihealth.com/vaccine-testi ... sting.html

Actually, they state as much on their site:
More Testing Needed

Testing four vials was just a start. Obviously more testing is needed in order to further resolve this issue.


Could the vials have been old, made before mercury was banned? These kinds of details are not specified.

I'd be curious to hear more about HAPI (their "about" page is quite sparse), and/or about other evidence that (some, most, all?) vaccines still have mercury.

ETA: Is the site you linked to, http://www.newstarget.com/006087.html , related in any way to Scientology, or their CCHR organization?

Just wondering.

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clocker bob wrote:I've learned a lot from author David Kirby's site, evidence of harm. He's getting many positive reviews for his book on this subject.


Here's a review of Kirby's book from the British Medical Journal. It describes it as "woefully one-sided".
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