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DrAwkward wrote:

Glenn W. Turner wrote:I just started getting back into black metal thanks to the nightly black metal show on Sirius.

Question:

Does Sirius satellite radio utilize catchy DJ-name jingle sweepers between songs like they do on broadcast commercial radio? Because that'd be so totally fucking awesome if the Black Metal show were all

"JUD-JUD-JUD-RRRRRRGGHHHHHHOOOOAAAAAAHHHHAAAAIIIIIIISATANIIIEEE-CHUGGA-CHUGGA-CHUGGA-DOODLEEDOO-AAAAIIII"

[sung] "KEN NORTON! SIRIUS SAT-TEL-IIIIIIITE!!"

"JUD-JUD-JUD-REENERREENERREENER-AAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUGGGHHHH!!"

Hahaha...not that I'm aware of. They are pretty good at not steppin' all over it. Come to think of it, I don't remember even hearing a DJ at all during the show.

Recently I mentioned to my mother that a guy (formerly) in Dimmu Borgir shares our surname. She's on a listserv for Norwegian-as-a-second-language speakers and she said people sign up, like, daily saying they're Dimmu Borgir fans and want to understand the language. She was pretty disgusted.

Glenn W. Turner wrote:

Mark Hansen wrote:MZ412 is very good, a black industrial band, who started out as black metal.

They are great! Isn't this the same guy from Folkstorm?

Yeah, same guy, Nordvarger. I believe the name means Northern Wolf, or something like that.

He's also done some stuff with the guy from Merzbow. I haven't yet heard that.

rayj wrote:

Glenn W. Turner wrote:

Mark Hansen wrote:MZ412 is very good, a black industrial band, who started out as black metal.

They are great! Isn't this the same guy from Folkstorm?

I'm a fan of the MZ412, myself. Much cooler than the face paint and Marshall stack blues rock...

rayj and Glenn, do you like Brighter Death Now? same label as MZ412, Cold Meat Industry. There are a lot of cool records on that label. The new Deutsch Nepal cd sounds interesting.

Mark Hansen wrote:

rayj wrote:

Glenn W. Turner wrote:

Mark Hansen wrote:MZ412 is very good, a black industrial band, who started out as black metal.

They are great! Isn't this the same guy from Folkstorm?

I'm a fan of the MZ412, myself. Much cooler than the face paint and Marshall stack blues rock...

rayj and Glenn, do you like Brighter Death Now? same label as MZ412, Cold Meat Industry. There are a lot of cool records on that label. The new Deutsch Nepal cd sounds interesting.

I've only heard one track from the Karmanik Collection disc. It's a band that I've wanted to hear more of.

Mark Hansen wrote:

rayj wrote:

Glenn W. Turner wrote:

Mark Hansen wrote:MZ412 is very good, a black industrial band, who started out as black metal.

They are great! Isn't this the same guy from Folkstorm?

I'm a fan of the MZ412, myself. Much cooler than the face paint and Marshall stack blues rock...

rayj and Glenn, do you like Brighter Death Now? same label as MZ412, Cold Meat Industry. There are a lot of cool records on that label. The new Deutsch Nepal cd sounds interesting.

I love BDN, and that label as well. Don't they have Bodychoke?

rayj wrote:

Mark Hansen wrote:

rayj wrote:

Glenn W. Turner wrote:

Mark Hansen wrote:MZ412 is very good, a black industrial band, who started out as black metal.

They are great! Isn't this the same guy from Folkstorm?

I'm a fan of the MZ412, myself. Much cooler than the face paint and Marshall stack blues rock...

rayj and Glenn, do you like Brighter Death Now? same label as MZ412, Cold Meat Industry. There are a lot of cool records on that label. The new Deutsch Nepal cd sounds interesting.

I love BDN, and that label as well. Don't they have Bodychoke?

Not sure about Bodychoke. There are a lot of other good outfits, like Sophia, Coph Nia, Raison d'etre, etc. I hesitate to call most of them bands, since a lot of this type of stuff is just one person, in a studio, who rarely if ever perform live. I have seen BDN live, once, at the Empty Bottle in Chicago. That was a great show.

Puissance is another one I like a lot as well. CMI describes them as "apocalyptic martial music". Very funny stuff. Very tongue in cheek.

I don't consider Voivod black metal. Not even RRRRROOOOAAAARRRRRRR. Prog-thrash. Maximum.

Voivod, Venom, Mayhem, Sacrifice...hmmm. Delicious.

black metal doesn't have cookie monster vocals. it's less a growl and more a rasp or cackle.

basically, you take the death metal template:

- growling, grunting
- typical subjects: gore, mythology, mystical mumbo jumbo, the apocalypse, anti-christianity, nature's revenge
- low, tuned-down tremolo picking w/ distortion, usually palm-muted, one string at a time
- enough low-end to sound "brutal" while still sounding clear (difficult at the speeds often involved, so there isn't a lot of flexibility as to how you record it)
- dissonant "dark" intervals (tritones, some parallel minor harmony)
- sometimes some kind of mosh part
- fast and precise
- medium to kinda long songs
- from a handful of riffs per song to a different riff every two bars

and you alter it until it's like so:

- rasping, cackling
- typical subjects: anti-christianity, scandinavian nationalism, the cold, winter, wolves
- medium or high tremolo picking w/ distortion, NOT palm-muted, more than one string at a time resulting a buzzy sloppy mess
- low end and clarity are tossed out to window to explore things like lo-fi scalding treble and/or washy reverb that makes everything a blur -- much more flexible recording possiblities
- dissonant "dark" intervals with moooore parallel minor harmony
- no moshing allowed
- kinda fast and sloppy
- long to reeeealllly long songs
- from one riff per song to a handful

trilonaut wrote:- rasping, cackling
- typical subjects: anti-christianity, scandinavian nationalism, the cold, winter, wolves
- medium or high tremolo picking w/ distortion, NOT palm-muted, more than one string at a time resulting a buzzy sloppy mess
- low end and clarity are tossed out to window to explore things like lo-fi scalding treble and/or washy reverb that makes everything a blur -- much more flexible recording possiblities
- dissonant "dark" intervals with moooore parallel minor harmony
- no moshing allowed
- kinda fast and sloppy
- long to reeeealllly long songs
- from one riff per song to a handful

Look everyone.
trilonaut just gave us all the standard as to how not to make music.