Mark Lansing wrote:

galanter wrote:

Spinach Orlean wrote:But i have to say that my favorite is that the phone company will take over the world.

Wasn't that actually an "Our Man Flint" movie?

Close -- the movie was The President's Analyst. It wasn't a Derek Flint story, but it did star James Coburn. It's damn funny, check it out.

(Ah! X'actly. Thanks! It is pretty funny...)

andteater wrote:

frelnamp wrote:There's a guy who claims it wasn't Mark David Chapman who shot John Lennon. Chapman was a patsy set up to take the fall for horror fiction author Stephen King.

http://www.lennonmurdertruth.com/introduction.asp

bless you, frelnamp!

you have given me a new website to spend days wasting my life browsing!

amazing!

did anybody else check this site out?

andyk

this guy is probably schizophrenic. finding secret messages in newspaper and magazine headlines? the conclusions that he jumps to are quite amazing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladio

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Solar_Temple

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_files_scandal

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projekt-26

http://www.playbillarts.com/news/article/5772.html

Conductor Michel Tabachnik Acquitted of Contributing to Cult Killings

By Vivien Schweitzer
21 Dec 2006

Swiss conductor Michel Tabachnik, 64, was acquitted for the second time yesterday of his alleged role in the mass suicides of members of a doomsday cult in the mid-1990s, report the Canadian Press and Associated Press.

A French appeals court in Grenoble upheld Tabachnik's 2001 acquittal by a lower court; the new trial reportedly produced no new evidence that Tabachnik was involved in killings perpetrated by the Switzerland-based Order of the Solar Temple cult.

Prosecutor Jean-Pierre Melendez did not request a prison term, citing "the difficulty in getting to the truth of Michel Tabachnik," according to the CP.

The Order of the Solar Temple lost 68 members in mass suicides in Switzerland, Canada and France between 1994 and 1995. In one incident fourteen members of the cult were found burnt and lying in a star formation in the French Alps.

Tabachnik, who studied with Pierre Boulez and Iannis Xenakis, was accused of supporting the cult's founder and leader, Joseph di Mambo, who died in a 1994 mass suicide. He was also accused of inciting the deaths in his writings for the cult, but according to the BBC, Tabachnik's lawyer argued that the drafts were "esoteric ramblings" that could not have inspired violence.

Di Mambo founded the cult in the 1980s and pursued wealthy followers, persuading them to part with their money in return for the chance to join a small elite who would be reborn on a star called Sirius. They would only reach Sirius by ritualized suicide.

Tabachnik called the trials a "nightmare," adding that "It has taken 11 years of slander, humiliations and disgrace for the French courts to finally give me justice," according to the AP.

Wow, Xenakis.

DazeyDiver wrote:

andteater wrote:

frelnamp wrote:There's a guy who claims it wasn't Mark David Chapman who shot John Lennon. Chapman was a patsy set up to take the fall for horror fiction author Stephen King.

http://www.lennonmurdertruth.com/introduction.asp

bless you, frelnamp!

you have given me a new website to spend days wasting my life browsing!

amazing!

did anybody else check this site out?

andyk

this guy is probably schizophrenic. finding secret messages in newspaper and magazine headlines? the conclusions that he jumps to are quite amazing.

These codes include the killer’s face and true identity printed three and two months before the crime replete with headlines describing the then yet to come crime scene: “One Great Big Zippo Lighter…Perils of Pyrokinesis”. Pyrokinesis means fire and movement, and a man at night with a gun ablaze, crouched in a raincoat looks like a great big cigarette lighter.

Best. Site. Ever. And I've only read the first page!

The Cobain murder conspiracy is absolutely bonkers when you get into the details. The thing is, if it wasn't for the thousands of insane fans who somehow believe that 'solving' this case will turn the clock back to 1994, there are actually some really bizarre occurrences that mean it's at least plausible that the accepted outcome isn't perhaps all there is to the case.
I started writing a piece about this ages ago, because it fascinates me how people at large assume that there is some international panel of 'fact checkers' who make sure every news item and biography is correct before it hits the public and therefore that news and biography is 'history'. For example, we understand (because it's still 'recent' history) that films like Control or Last Days are someone's interpretation of events surrounding 2 people's lives. But when everyone who lived through those times is dead then that's what's left and that becomes fact - or a contributing part of the 'fact' as a whole.

Anyway, there is a fascinating website relating to Cobain's death that just picks out every single media inconsistency relating to the case. It's insane, if it were less detailed more people might credit the researcher with being more sane than they do. But it picks out accepted facts of people's whereabouts and then contradicts them with news stories or interviews that concretely place that person somewhere else. It's really fascinating and as an exercise in seeing if we're so media-led that having the right PR people can actually get you away with murder - it's interesting.

Also, the idea that the people involved are somehow not normal and in their superstar status every gesture they make is self conciously huge and important (and therefore any foul play is incredulous) is interesting. If you see the whole thing as desperate junkies (lots of them, interconnected) worrying about their (up to that point) easy money supply coming to an end then it all becomes more plausible that something fishy happened, albeit a lot more messy and idiotic than some carefully planned 'hit'.

My interest in this was tweaked again a couple of years ago when I met someone (by coincidence, through music) was very involved in the whole thing and they referred to the incident as a suicide in passing conversation but did the little 'air quotes' with their hands each time they said it.

David Icke and the Reptillians is my fave

I recommend the book 'Them' by Jon Ronson.

Have we done De Loy's Ape yet? That photo scared the shite out of me when I was a nipper. The idea was to prove that blacks and whites came from two different species of monkey, one refined in the use of language and tools, and one flinging shit and masturbating towards explorers.

Also free energy cracks me up. Aw, c'mon they even call it "free energy".

Two conspiracy theories that are so good and explain so much that I really with they were true -

The first is the infamous Marlovian Theory of Shakespeare Authorship. That page is actually pretty definitive in summarising all the main theories. It does explain an awful lot, especially the utterly bizarre circumstances surrounding Christopher Marlowe's death. Unfortunately, it takes quite an intellectual leap to discard all of the proof that Shakespeare was indeed alive and a separate person long before Marlowe's death.

The second is detailed in the thoroughly interesting book 'The Riddle of the Titanic', which puts forward the theory that the Titanic was actually her critically damaged sister ship Olympic, which had been all but written-off in an accidental collision with a naval cruiser. Essentially, the authors imply the ship was deliberately sailed at full speed into an ice field so White Star Line could commit massive insurance fraud after the beleaguered ships' sinking. A very good read until the last chapter when they admit the whole thing is nonsense.

I also have a certain amount of grudging respect for the tenacity of those who insist to this day that Gary Neville is an international quality footballer and that Frank Zappa made good music.