PEPPER! wrote:when I'm in a chanting crowd the first thing I think of is Triumph of the Will.
Sports thread, Godwin'd. Nice job.
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91Sports thread, Godwin'd. Nice job.
tocharian wrote:Cheese fries vs nonexistence. Duh.
Sports thread, Godwin'd. Nice job.
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92There are two sports I lend my approval to: Drag Racing & Fishing. The rest is pretty much crap for me. Except for the Olympics, which for some reason I will always watch.
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93Ty Webb wrote:Isabelle Gall wrote:Ty Webb wrote:And whether you like it or not, existence is competition.
Ty, come on. If you're American, maybe. Otherwise, no.
That's a ridiculous cheap shot, not to mention a gross oversimplification.
More of a simplification than claiming what existence is?
Ty Webb wrote:Are the resources of the earth infinite?
No. Are some people more deserving of the resources than others?
Ty Webb wrote:The pool of acceptable and desirable mates?
Yes, love rarely (maybe never) overcomes barriers of class or education I agree. I really want to be wrong however, as I do not think that I could think of a more depressing realization. Still, only 'losers' commit suicide, right?
Ty Webb wrote:The number of jobs for which you are qualified and which you will enjoy doing?
This is a good analogy for sport. I can see how an indoctrination through sport in childhood would not only enable you to shit on and/or destroy people in adult life, but allow you to feel great about it, but I don't personally feel that this is something which should be celebrated.
At a push, boxing is possibly the 'best' sport, as it has an honesty to it. Like hardcore pornography. To be honest Ty, when I used to refuse to take part in 'games' at school they'd make me sit on the sidelines and watch, and I guess i've been a spectator ever since. Throw me a frisbee and it will hit me in the face.
Still, fuck your sports. Not playing, sorry.
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94I just want to back up a bit and throw in this observation. Golf isn't a sport. It's a difficult activity. It's sport in the sense of a liesure activity that's done for its own sake, but not a sport sport. Yes, it requires coordination and muscle memory, but so does throwing darts.
Phil Mickelson's an athlete? I won't be persuaded by the fact that golfers walk around alot, either.
While we're on the subject, I think NASCAR is a sport.
Phil Mickelson's an athlete? I won't be persuaded by the fact that golfers walk around alot, either.
While we're on the subject, I think NASCAR is a sport.
Dr. Geek wrote:I once found a soggy dollar floating in a puddle on the side of the street. I carefully picked it out of the water before it sank to the bottom. It smelled funny after it dried.
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95Isabelle Gall wrote:Ty Webb wrote:Isabelle Gall wrote:Ty Webb wrote:And whether you like it or not, existence is competition.
Ty, come on. If you're American, maybe. Otherwise, no.
That's a ridiculous cheap shot, not to mention a gross oversimplification.
More of a simplification than claiming what existence is?
I was using a shorthand, not trying to define existence comprehensively. And I was objecting to the implied America bashing, which is tiresome.
Ty Webb wrote:Are the resources of the earth infinite?
No. Are some people more deserving of the resources than others?
Never said they were. But you DO have to compete for them. One of the ways to do that is convincing others of the justice of equal distribution. Activism is a form of competition. (And here's where your argument is breaking down. You're working from a definition of competition as inherently amoral, only-the-strongest-survive, every-man-for-himself, which is a value judgement based on your prejudices, not an accurate depiction of competition as a concept.)
Ty Webb wrote:The pool of acceptable and desirable mates?
Yes, love rarely (maybe never) overcomes barriers of class or education I agree. I really want to be wrong however, as I do not think that I could think of a more depressing realization. Still, only 'losers' commit suicide, right?
Not sure what that has to do with anything. Same for class and education. You attract a mate. Others are attempting to attract mates. The pool of desirable mates is finite. Therefore, attracting a mate is a competition. That's all I was saying.
Ty Webb wrote:The number of jobs for which you are qualified and which you will enjoy doing?
This is a good analogy for sport. I can see how an indoctrination through sport in childhood would not only enable you to shit on and/or destroy people in adult life <snip>
And we'll just stop there, because that's your definition of competition, which means nothing that involves competition could ever be positive. It's not only a debate deadend, but it's flat-out wrong.
If you don't believe that competition is an inherent part of human life, you're living in a deluded wonderland.
You had me at Sex Traction Aunts Getting Vodka-Rogered On Glass Furniture
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96Ty Webb wrote:Activism is a form of competition.
Activism, like art, would be concerned with completely redefining the existing terms, not managing the existing ones more effectively as if conducting a time and motion study. The 'competition' of which you speak is that of the mindset of the middle-management cocksucker, not a real human being. Competition as immediately comparing yourself to something which already exists, then wanting to 'better' it as you perceive them to have something which you don't. Their loss is then the 'gain' which completes you, making you feel all cosy and warm inside. I don't think you should be adopting it. It's not healthy, you can do a lot better believe me.
Ty Webb wrote:If you don't believe that competition is an inherent part of human life, you're living in a deluded wonderland.
You may as well be saying the same about me because I don't play Nintendo. I'm too concerned with trying to improve my own work and create something unique and personal to me to worry if it's better than anyone else's work or not. No-one is ever going to be more critical of that work than I am, or invest as much of their time and energy on it as I have. Are there people working within the same approximate field as myself? Sure. Am I competing with them? Fuck no. That work is obsessive for me, the reasons i'm doing it have absolutely nothing to do with wanting to 'beat' somebody. Someone may 'choose' me over an other choice, after making a comparison, and i'd hope it'd be because I was dedicated 100% to the subject-delivering it on it's own terms rather than worrying if I was 'better' than a supposed rival like a jealous schoolgirl.
Competition unfortunately is an inherent part of daily life for many, but cheerleading this is both ugly and pathetic.
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97Isabelle Gall wrote:Activism, like art, would be concerned with completely redefining the existing terms, not managing the existing ones more effectively as if conducting a time and motion study.
First, I'd like to know how competition precludes redefining existing terms.
he 'competition' of which you speak is that of the mindset of the middle-management cocksucker, not a real human being.
Oh. That's how. By snobbily defining what is and what isn't competition from the lofty perspective of "the artist."
"Competition"=crushing your opponent in a banal struggle for SUVs and good parking spots at the mall
Being chosen first among a finite pool of choices=succeeding in art
Isabelle Gall wrote:Competition as immediately comparing yourself to something which already exists
...which you also may have created. Self-improvement is competition with yourself.
then wanting to 'better' it as you perceive them to have something which you don't. Their loss is then the 'gain' which completes you, making you feel all cosy and warm inside. I don't think you should be adopting it. It's not healthy, you can do a lot better believe me.
For the last time, spare me your condescending, psychobabble definition of competition. There is nothing inherently destructive in competition. Quite the opposite.
Ty Webb wrote:If you don't believe that competition is an inherent part of human life, you're living in a deluded wonderland.
Someone may 'choose' me over an other choice, after making a comparison
And thus, no matter how you much you want not to believe it, you have participated in a competition. The criteria of their choice don't matter. A choice was made between two or more parties, which is a competition.
Competition unfortunately is an inherent part of daily life for many, but cheerleading this is both ugly and pathetic.
What exactly is your point? You just admitted that competition is an inherent part of life. Who's talking about cheerleading? You just keep putting layer after layer of your own prejudices over a relatively neutral concept, redefining competition to mean the ugly thing it has come to represent for you for some reason.
Competition is good. Obsession, exclusion, narcissism, and the other possible byproducts are not, but they hardly intrinsic.
You had me at Sex Traction Aunts Getting Vodka-Rogered On Glass Furniture
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98chairman_hall wrote:Without sports men would mostly not be able to make small talk with other men.
So true. I could give a rats ass about watching/following any sports. I do watch Sumo but it's not like anyone wants to talk about that. Anyway, I can't tell you how many times I've met a friend of a friend, and when left alone to make small talk the topic turns right to sports. I, of course have no idea what the fucker is talking about and politely wait to change the topic. It's fucking brutal and happens all the time.
Sports CRAP with waffles. I enjoy watching Sumo, a good Baseball game and a good Soccer match now and agian. However, American Football is completely lost on me. I don't enjoy the sport that much, but I think a lot of it has to do with the stupidity and ridiculous nature of the fans during the season.
Ty Webb wrote:I lettered in two sports, smoked weed, and fucked cheerleaders.
Sports breaks even.
Not Crap
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100Ty Webb wrote:First, I'd like to know how competition precludes redefining existing terms.
By making the insipid equation that reality itself is somehow comparable to sports, you're negating thinking about reality at all. You're reducing something necessarily complex by saying that competition is not just an integral part of it, but an inherent factor which should be celebrated (through sports).
Ty Webb wrote:Oh. That's how. By snobbily defining what is and what isn't competition from the lofty perspective of "the artist."
No, just the regular everyday perspective of someone who isn’t a cocksucker. You’re the guy playing ‘Mark Rothko: The Videogame’ here, not me.
Ty Webb wrote:Being chosen first among a finite pool of choices=succeeding in art.
This is how you would value art? That is what 'success in art' would mean to you? Rather than it’s intrinsic value? Context doesn’t equal competition.
Ty Webb wrote:Self-improvement is competition with yourself.
Makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Ty Webb wrote:For the last time, spare me your condescending, psychobabble definition of competition. There is nothing inherently destructive in competition. Quite the opposite.
According to you, which is gospel apparently. Your judgements are no less value based than mine. 'For the last time'? Sorry?
Ty Webb wrote:And thus, no matter how you much you want not to believe it, you have participated in a competition. The criteria of their choice don't matter. A choice was made between two or more parties, which is a competition.
How is this a competition? So basic ‘choice’ now as well as ‘context’, all just competition to you?
Ty Webb wrote:What exactly is your point?
Competition is something which is unfortunately and unnecessarily imposed upon the lives of many irrespective of their own choice or personal wishes.
Endlessly pitching people against each other allows you to think that you've ‘won’ due to the magical thinking of imagining that everyone is thinking the same way as you. The fact that they aren't is something which you are absolutely unable to comprehend or deal with. How are you supposed to ‘beat’ them if they aren't even playing?
Ty Webb wrote:Competition is good.
Or God rather, for you, and also by your own definition ‘for everybody’, whether they like it or not. If they don't like it, fuck them. In your mind, you win.