They've paid their dues. Let 'em make some money. They probably have bad backs and mouths to feed. I know plenty of cool people (who I would not say "Fuck this person" about) who do graphic design for a living and work on advertisements for huge corporations. How is this any different? How does it make Sister a worse album? If there's any reason to say, "Fuck Sonic Youth." it's their last 10 albums being really fucking boring.

same wrote:They've paid their dues. Let 'em make some money. They probably have bad backs and mouths to feed. I know plenty of cool people (who I would not say "Fuck this person" about) who do graphic design for a living and work on advertisements for huge corporations. How is this any different?

It isn't. Fuck those people.

I'm not sure why they are doing this, per se, but they seem to know what they want, so bully for them. I like some records much more than others (the usual suspects) but I can't say that I've ever had any major integrity problems with them.

Also, Starbucks isn't really a bad company. They give both part time and full time employees a retirement plan, free beans, and best of all, health insurance. Almost no companies give part timers health ins. because it's a choice to do so - no law requires it.

The argument that they hurt local coffee shops was debunked a long time ago by a coalition of independent coffee roasters. They actually *increase* coffee consumption in a town (for better or for worse) and the rising tide lifts all boats.

Whether you think the coffee is good or not is beside the point. I'll always pick the local over the chain when I can, but being able to get an acceptable cup of coffee even in airports and hick towns has made me happy.

It's not like SY is working for Wal Mart. Also, like it or not, selling records at places like Starbucks is partially where music is heading. I don't see them selling bullshit like Fergie there.

-A

John C3 wrote:

same wrote:They've paid their dues. Let 'em make some money. They probably have bad backs and mouths to feed. I know plenty of cool people (who I would not say "Fuck this person" about) who do graphic design for a living and work on advertisements for huge corporations. How is this any different?

It isn't. Fuck those people.

Why?

same wrote:

John C3 wrote:

same wrote:They've paid their dues. Let 'em make some money. They probably have bad backs and mouths to feed. I know plenty of cool people (who I would not say "Fuck this person" about) who do graphic design for a living and work on advertisements for huge corporations. How is this any different?

It isn't. Fuck those people.

Why?

I don't understand by what rationale a person who does advertising work for huge corporations can still be considered 'cool'. This is not a 'cool' thing to do.

If Ian Mackaye did a Starbucks advert would you still think he was cool? He's paid his dues, right?

John C3 wrote:

same wrote:

John C3 wrote:

same wrote:They've paid their dues. Let 'em make some money. They probably have bad backs and mouths to feed. I know plenty of cool people (who I would not say "Fuck this person" about) who do graphic design for a living and work on advertisements for huge corporations. How is this any different?

It isn't. Fuck those people.

Why?

I don't understand by what rationale a person who does advertising work for huge corporations can still be considered 'cool'. This is not a 'cool' thing to do.

While this is true, you gotta put food on your family.

So will people pogo around and shake their hair while they're standing in line waiting for their lattes or frappacinos while "Death Valley '69" plays over the Starbucks sound system? They'll play it 24/7 like they do the McCartney record.

No. I don't think so.

This is either Thurston Moore taking a big dump on Pitchfork, or Pitchfork taking a big dump on anyone who reads their crap.

Even if it is true, won't affect me as I don't drink coffee. Though I have to say, it would be surreal to use the crapper in a corporate coffee chain while "Shadow of A Doubt" plays in the background. Kim Gordon, I would dedicate that bowel movement to you, with love.

sleepkid wrote:This is either Thurston Moore taking a big dump on Pitchfork, or Pitchfork taking a big dump on anyone who reads their crap.

Yup.

John C3 wrote:

same wrote:

John C3 wrote:

same wrote:They've paid their dues. Let 'em make some money. They probably have bad backs and mouths to feed. I know plenty of cool people (who I would not say "Fuck this person" about) who do graphic design for a living and work on advertisements for huge corporations. How is this any different?

It isn't. Fuck those people.

Why?

I don't understand by what rationale a person who does advertising work for huge corporations can still be considered 'cool'. This is not a 'cool' thing to do.

What do you do for a living that's so fucking righteous?

Believe me, there are kind people out there, who have a good sense of humor and good taste in art and music, who are intelligent, creative, decent human beings, and they just so happen to work for a design firm that takes up occasional bids from "evil" corporations to pay the bills.