heptagons wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:34 am Yeah, for sure. But since you (probably) won't see national (or international) acts playing doom or sludge through underpowered Crate amps and more likely will see hobbyist bands using none-genre approved rigs I think it is a money issue and a lot of guys even here have used that as a gatekeeping method.

And of course there is the other end of spectrum where wealthy hobbyist pay to get into the club and buy all the hottest shit there is, just to be approved and be able to shit on people with less money. I know, I know, not all the white middleclass et cetera, but way too many people does this.

bishopdante wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:33 pm

bishopdante wrote: Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:20 pm

penningtron wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:47 am Seemingly every touring band in the late '90s/early 2000s had huge fuckin' racks and I have no idea why. Maybe there were strobe tuners and noise gates and an effects unit, but what else. I became convinced after awhile that was just something you did to signify that you had your shit together or something.

... I still use 19 inch units by preference, and I'm one of those assholes who has a spaceship-programmable foot-board, and an automated switcher that controls the pedals...

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I also own a 1x10 all-tube modern 15w fender combo, and a 1x12 fully-recallable 100W tube combo. The 1x10 gets used loads.

as evidence, here's what I've been playing through during lockdown... :

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that yamaha mixer runs single ended instrument level, and will also take single ended mic level on the first eight channels. The Yamaha mixer replaces my old Roland KM06, and the various Allen & Heaths before that, and the O1V (yuk) before that.

Basic effects and MIDI control are done with the 24 bit digitech multi FX, and for everything else the computer does it via the small red box at the top right.

The rockman octopus can midi-automate anything with a footswitch jack, and I use it to switch the tube driver and carvin preamps.

The Akai PEQ6 has ±60dB of gain per frequency band, and is all-analogue and fully recallable. There's synth filters with less gain/attenuation than that.

I don't make normal vanilla guitar sounds, no, but it'll do an excellent job of most conventional sorts of guitar sound.

Mostly what happens in analogue is EQ and gain. There's probably 40x more EQ circuits in the system I've got there than a conventional marshall preamp. Maybe more. Somewhere around 11x 12AX7 tubes doing various sorts of gain & distortion.

All made in USA or made in Japan, so it's actually sturdily built.

These are not the original units, I replace them when they die or go missing, and have a few spares, but I've basically been using the same units for 25 years. They're what I'm used to.

heptagons wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:55 am This will easily form into weak-ass gatekeeping, as it has already. Not everybody has the money to buy scene approved gear, and not every country has the wealth of reasonably priced, underrated yet good gear. Sure, most of you are from US, but even you guys have poor musicians. For most playing music is just a hobby and I think it's more than okay that people can go out and play without being judged by their gear.
So yeah, guitar rigs are a cultural statement as well as economical statement.

losthighway wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 7:56 pm

heptagons wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:55 am This will easily form into weak-ass gatekeeping, as it has already. Not everybody has the money to buy scene approved gear, and not every country has the wealth of reasonably priced, underrated yet good gear. Sure, most of you are from US, but even you guys have poor musicians. For most playing music is just a hobby and I think it's more than okay that people can go out and play without being judged by their gear.
So yeah, guitar rigs are a cultural statement as well as economical statement.

Yes to all of that.

I like when I see a band where some person is beautifully playing one of those cheap, ubiquitous Epiphone Les Pauls or whatever through a weird pawn shop amp and giving it their all. Way more inspiring than a tone lawyer doing an SRV riff on a collectors item guitar into a boutique amp.

But then, that's no knock on someone who's put together an impressive, and more importantly excellent sounding/expressive rig because they work, save, and care more about guitar shit than cars or whatever other hole people throw money into.

losthighway wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 7:56 pm

heptagons wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:55 am This will easily form into weak-ass gatekeeping, as it has already. Not everybody has the money to buy scene approved gear, and not every country has the wealth of reasonably priced, underrated yet good gear. Sure, most of you are from US, but even you guys have poor musicians. For most playing music is just a hobby and I think it's more than okay that people can go out and play without being judged by their gear.
So yeah, guitar rigs are a cultural statement as well as economical statement.

Yes to all of that.

I like when I see a band where some person is beautifully playing one of those cheap, ubiquitous Epiphone Les Pauls or whatever through a weird pawn shop amp and giving it their all. Way more inspiring than a tone lawyer doing an SRV riff on a collectors item guitar into a boutique amp.

But then, that's no knock on someone who's put together an impressive, and more importantly excellent sounding/expressive rig because they work, save, and care more about guitar shit than cars or whatever other hole people throw money into.

motorbike guy wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 7:52 am The only thing they spent money on was gear. That Hiwatt stack and vintage Gretsch represented years and years of my bandmate's effort, working full time in a kitchen and moving furniture and pianos on the weekends. He earned that shit.

bishopdante wrote:
I'm seeing these things now listed as "vintage".

The generic and dreaded Yamaha SPX effects processor is also now "vintage"?

Do you mean to say I could list a behringer eurorack from 1997 as "vintage" now ?

Da f** is going on here bro. Vintage effects processor.

Made in Utah, though.

losthighway wrote: Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:02 pm I sometimes feel like the cool, undervalued gear from yesteryear, your Traynor, Music Man, or even weird vintage Electro Voice mics are like gentrified neighborhoods. We saw value where it was ignored, exploited it, made it cool and now it costs too much.