Comb filtering is specifically filtering caused by delay, the graphic trick is just filtering. Good old filtering. I do like the delay trick though because it would collapse in mono well. I know the super nerds will get into how filtering does add time differentials and phase irregularities at the filter points but it's kinda not the point.
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22This doesn't sound like you can accurately control which frequencies are going to have the effect beyond just a low and high pass. With a graphic EQ you can pick individual bandwidths and pan them left or right.Anthony Flack wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 4:32 am Try this, and tell me if it doesn't give a similar effect:
Take your signal, put it through a digital delay with about 10ms delay, 0% feedback.
Send your dry signal plus the delay to left, and dry signal minus the delay to right (ie invert the delay on one side). Adjust the length of the delay to control the number of notches in your "eq". Volume of the delay signal sets the width. Maybe put a low-pass on the delay signal too, if you don't want it in the top frequencies, or high-pass to avoid chpooping your bass.
It should disappear completely in mono.
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23I think both methods are nifty to spread things out but accomplish vastly different things.ChudFusk wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 1:52 pmThis doesn't sound like you can accurately control which frequencies are going to have the effect beyond just a low and high pass. With a graphic EQ you can pick individual bandwidths and pan them left or right.Anthony Flack wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 4:32 am Try this, and tell me if it doesn't give a similar effect:
Take your signal, put it through a digital delay with about 10ms delay, 0% feedback.
Send your dry signal plus the delay to left, and dry signal minus the delay to right (ie invert the delay on one side). Adjust the length of the delay to control the number of notches in your "eq". Volume of the delay signal sets the width. Maybe put a low-pass on the delay signal too, if you don't want it in the top frequencies, or high-pass to avoid chpooping your bass.
It should disappear completely in mono.
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24The amount of time delay determines how many times the zig will zag, so it's a different kind of control.ChudFusk wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 1:52 pm This doesn't sound like you can accurately control which frequencies are going to have the effect beyond just a low and high pass. With a graphic EQ you can pick individual bandwidths and pan them left or right.
So if you don't have a 31 band eq or whatever, and you want to do it with hardware, by moving the time delay you can get one band, two bands, ten bands, fifty, a hundred, until the effect disappears. You wouldn't get to pick and choose the individual spacing, just the number of up-downs. You could eq the delayed signal to choose how prominent it was in different frequencies, but at that point you may as well use a stereo EQ I guess
Maybe it is super nerdy but I do think the relationship between things like time and phase are interesting, and how that relates to what our stereo ears enjoy hearing.
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25Here's a quick clip of chpooing in action. First time through the riff is in bypass mode and the second time is chpooed. It's more noticeable in a mix because the guitar fits in better around the other instruments (especially a second guitar) due to being notched out. Listen in headphones for maximum effect.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AWRa_f ... sp=sharing
The signal chain is is Warmoth superstrat, bridge humbucker, Randall RRM 2-2 preamp, ART Dual Tube parametric EQ (as an additional gain stage which acts very amp-like), ART EQ355 graphic EQ for the chpooing, ADA GCS-6 analog speaker/cab simulator, USB mixer into computer. I've experimented a bit with placement of the chpooer in the signal chain; having it last works too and is more dramatic of an effect, but for reasons which I have forgotten I decided I wanted it before the cab sim. Putting it last sort of simulates having different mics or positions on a speaker, whereas putting it in the various stages before the sim is more like playing through different amps, and I suppose if I went through it first it would be a bit like playing different guitars simultaneously.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AWRa_f ... sp=sharing
The signal chain is is Warmoth superstrat, bridge humbucker, Randall RRM 2-2 preamp, ART Dual Tube parametric EQ (as an additional gain stage which acts very amp-like), ART EQ355 graphic EQ for the chpooing, ADA GCS-6 analog speaker/cab simulator, USB mixer into computer. I've experimented a bit with placement of the chpooer in the signal chain; having it last works too and is more dramatic of an effect, but for reasons which I have forgotten I decided I wanted it before the cab sim. Putting it last sort of simulates having different mics or positions on a speaker, whereas putting it in the various stages before the sim is more like playing through different amps, and I suppose if I went through it first it would be a bit like playing different guitars simultaneously.
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26Cool - the chpooed guitar sounds like two guitars in this position to me already.ChudFusk wrote: Sun Oct 23, 2022 11:02 pm Here's a quick clip of chpooing in action. First time through the riff is in bypass mode and the second time is chpooed. It's more noticeable in a mix because the guitar fits in better around the other instruments (especially a second guitar) due to being notched out. Listen in headphones for maximum effect.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AWRa_f ... sp=sharing
The signal chain is is Warmoth superstrat, bridge humbucker, Randall RRM 2-2 preamp, ART Dual Tube parametric EQ (as an additional gain stage which acts very amp-like), ART EQ355 graphic EQ for the chpooing, ADA GCS-6 analog speaker/cab simulator, USB mixer into computer. I've experimented a bit with placement of the chpooer in the signal chain; having it last works too and is more dramatic of an effect, but for reasons which I have forgotten I decided I wanted it before the cab sim. Putting it last sort of simulates having different mics or positions on a speaker, whereas putting it in the various stages before the sim is more like playing through different amps, and I suppose if I went through it first it would be a bit like playing different guitars simultaneously.
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27I hear a sort of octave / harmony thing in the second part of the track that has a really cool character.
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28Another of the same signal chain , first uneffected then chpooped.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ahaaLD ... sp=sharing
Chpooping seems to have a softening effect, making a brackish signal easier on the ears. Bypass mode is more focused, so for a lead part it might be best left unchpooped. I don't think one setting is always better than the other but they are both useful. Bypass mode on this EQ is post-volume control, so getting the levels matched is still a work in progress especially because the perceived volume is different than what the meters read.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ahaaLD ... sp=sharing
Chpooping seems to have a softening effect, making a brackish signal easier on the ears. Bypass mode is more focused, so for a lead part it might be best left unchpooped. I don't think one setting is always better than the other but they are both useful. Bypass mode on this EQ is post-volume control, so getting the levels matched is still a work in progress especially because the perceived volume is different than what the meters read.
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29I’ve not done any home recording since moving house a year ago, but I used to enjoy “reamping” drums through guitar amps. A little bit of crunch on a kick/snare/tom can go a long way and spring reverb on a snare can sound very cool - especially rim clicks.
I’ve also toyed with micing the receiver part of our baby monitor as there’s a slight delay between the mic on the camera part of the monitor to receiver, and it also distorts in quite an interesting way.
I’ve also toyed with micing the receiver part of our baby monitor as there’s a slight delay between the mic on the camera part of the monitor to receiver, and it also distorts in quite an interesting way.
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30I've been experimenting with drum tuning lately and wanted to get toms with a little more bounce. So naturally I tuned up the top heads tighter than normal. But to keep a little body to the drum, I lowered the pitch on the reso heads. There's a perfect 4th between the bottom (lower) and top (higher) heads. That sounded decent in the room, but when recording the top head tom mics were emphasized and a little pingy. So I moved the tom mics to the underside. Combined with what the overheads are getting, I could live with a sound like that, and bounce playing on the toms feels good and records well.