TylerDeadPine wrote: CRAP (because)

AI is using the internet to learn, with the assumption that the most amount of things will eventually lead to the right answer about said things. That would be fine if the internet was a direct looking glass into the world, but for over a decade the economy online has been driven by view, clicks and impressions, which are completely detached from quality and review. Specifically industry peer review, and industry journal is behind paywalls.

I imagine most of y'all would be ahead of me on hearing the 'Dead Internet Theory' (roughly that bots, ads, and algorithm driven content make the once bustling internet a place filled with content where one may have very limited interactions with actual humans). I think AI is another step in that direction. The lights are on and nobody is home. This chatty little message board is so two decades ago. I'm going to go write a blog and comment on my friend's vacation photos.

penningtron wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2024 3:35 pm

andyman wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2024 8:14 am AI is the new Cloud

Maybe regarding hype? But otherwise I don't see much in common. Cloud computing is actually useful (it's pretty awesome being able to upload a multitrack session to an engineer thousands of miles away without having to send a hard drive in the mail) and as far as energy consumption I don't see why remote servers would be worse than On Prem ones. Perhaps it has lead to an out of sight, out of mind effect as far as mindless media and energy consumption goes but that seems like another issue..

Same with Agile. Maybe it's annoying to hear about but I don't see how it's actively harming the world like AI.

Cloud was stupid because everyone in the tech world was already doing exactly what people called "cloud computing" or "cloud storage" or "cloud infrasructure" and we just called it "normal work." Offloading processing and cycles and data distribution was a thing we were doing when grandpa was yelling at cartoon clouds in the Simpsons. All they did was rebrand what was already happening with the word cloud and then sold it like it was something new in the enterprise and consumer spaces.

AI is similar in that this is really just a logical extension of the abilities for CPU's to process more complicated information quicker and (hopefully at some point) use more sophisticated means to extract meaning from that data much faster than we can today. And it can't even really do that yet, so....I dunno man. Feels like a fools gold rush to me.

I enjoyed this, as a primer on what goes under the hood with these technologies.

losthighway wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2024 7:50 pm

TylerDeadPine wrote: CRAP (because)

AI is using the internet to learn, with the assumption that the most amount of things will eventually lead to the right answer about said things. That would be fine if the internet was a direct looking glass into the world, but for over a decade the economy online has been driven by view, clicks and impressions, which are completely detached from quality and review. Specifically industry peer review, and industry journal is behind paywalls.

I imagine most of y'all would be ahead of me on hearing the 'Dead Internet Theory' (roughly that bots, ads, and algorithm driven content make the once bustling internet a place filled with content where one may have very limited interactions with actual humans). I think AI is another step in that direction. The lights are on and nobody is home. This chatty little message board is so two decades ago. I'm going to go write a blog and comment on my friend's vacation photos.

Yeah, 'Dead Internet Theory' given too much traction as a 'conspiracy theory' and more that, like capitalism, it's just a clear observation indicating the inevitable conclusion that seems obvious?
Like I don't believe there's a controlled insidious cabal or anything, but rather a 'no-ones driving' ever increasing amount of bullshit

I hoped before then, my generation's kids would end up just being fed up with the whole thing and getting back to being interested in nature, in person meet ups etc.

John Stewart had Mark Cuban on his podcast last week. Cuban started with some crypto currency stuff I can't be bothered with, but then he had an interesting take on uses for AI. It was short on detail but what I understood was he's proposing using it to work through government regulation, almost like a super human paralegal. The AI combs through all of the regulatory language to spec out a project or proposal. Additionally it could comb through data from environmental studies to speed up the impact study.

They referred back, as Bernie did a week before, to when PA governor used emergency status to rebuild the I95 bridge in a tiny fraction of the time it would take through standard procedure.

There are a lot of bad actors poo pooing regulation that protects nature and our health, but Cuban pointed out how much of the labyrinthine nature of American regulatory law is an outgrowth of Fortune 500 companies refining more complex ideas for doing business that legislation gradually catches up with. A cat and mouse game, really.

So what if AI allows government to wade through all of that more quickly to actually do things that help people? Kind of has a Phillip K Dick flavor, but it's interesting.

Not new, but new to me: Baldur Bjarnason compares LLMs to psychic "cold reading".
Pretty insightful, I thought.

rsmurphy wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2024 3:10 pm I know it ain't right but I'm a sucker for certain AI horror content.

Shit is freaky.

Stuff like the end of Late Night with the Devil I find pretty meh, but I have to admit that Olga Fedorova is leaning into the creepy & surreal aspects of LLM-generated imagery in interesting ways.

brephophagist wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2024 8:40 pm Stuff like the end of Late Night with the Devil I find pretty meh, but I have to admit that Olga Fedorova is leaning into the creepy & surreal aspects of LLM-generated imagery in interesting ways.

I barely remember the AI imagery in that movie, which for myself was ultimately disappointing. As for content creators I'm a deadtempovision guy. Dreamlike landscapes, impossibly tall spectres, and rampant tumefaction of nightmarish creatures is oddly peaceful. Thanks for the link!

My guy ain't having it tho

rsmurphy wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2024 4:32 pm

brephophagist wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2024 8:40 pm Stuff like the end of Late Night with the Devil I find pretty meh, but I have to admit that Olga Fedorova is leaning into the creepy & surreal aspects of LLM-generated imagery in interesting ways.

I barely remember the AI imagery in that movie, which for myself was ultimately disappointing. As for content creators I'm a deadtempovision guy. Dreamlike landscapes, impossibly tall spectres, and rampant tumefaction of nightmarish creatures is oddly peaceful. Thanks for the link!

My guy ain't having it tho

That's a great clip with Miyazaki. I see it two ways.

It's kind of cool that video is now getting something of the equivalent of the Stockhausen/Cage/etc... Aleatory/Generative Music concept where randomness and the system itself plays a role in creating the content.

But then It suffers from some of the same issues, where the results are experimental and conceptual. And despite the wide web being cast, it winds up kind of samey regardless. It's like AI has a house "style" (because it does). let me know when AI invents the new Rock and Roll, Pointilism, or French New Wave Cinema.

rsmurphy wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2024 4:32 pm As for content creators I'm a deadtempovision guy. Dreamlike landscapes, impossibly tall spectres, and rampant tumefaction of nightmarish creatures is oddly peaceful. Thanks for the link!

Same to you, man. Very much my kind of thing.

brephophagist wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 7:56 pm

rsmurphy wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2024 4:32 pm As for content creators I'm a deadtempovision guy. Dreamlike landscapes, impossibly tall spectres, and rampant tumefaction of nightmarish creatures is oddly peaceful. Thanks for the link!

Same to you, man. Very much my kind of thing.

Curation is a skill, to be fair, but fuck spewing this AI stuff out. Have some craft man.