cakes wrote: Fri Nov 22, 2024 12:40 pm Placing bets on Desantis appointing Gaetz as Rubio's replacement.

Can they air all of his dirty laundry if he's next door in the Senate?

losthighway wrote: Fri Nov 22, 2024 1:46 pm

cakes wrote: Fri Nov 22, 2024 12:40 pm Placing bets on Desantis appointing Gaetz as Rubio's replacement.

Can they air all of his dirty laundry if he's next door in the Senate?

They could, but I doubt it because both parties are afraid of Trump and are spineless cowards and grifters.

Trump must have dirt on everyone. If he's been planning this for years, well, I'm impressed.

So as to not only be angry, this was posted a few days after the election. Take it in.

https://daryazorka.substack.com/p/hope- ... less-times

kokorodoko wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 12:06 pm So as to not only be angry, this was posted a few days after the election. Take it in.

https://daryazorka.substack.com/p/hope- ... less-times

i'm glad she won her divorce settlement.

kokorodoko wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 4:45 am the point is and has always been that there are no "biolabs".

Direct quote from your link:

In March, the Pentagon said much of the same, adding that the program has invested about $200 million in Ukraine, "supporting 46 laboratories, health facilities and diagnostic sites"

Direct quotes from the govt. factsheet linked to in your link:

After Russia launched its unlawful invasion of Ukraine, the Ukrainian Ministry of Health responsibly ordered the safe and secure disposal of samples. These actions limit the danger of an accidental release of pathogens

Proper disposal of samples during a war reflects responsible conduct on the part of the Ukrainians to protect the Ukrainian people and the international community from potential accidental exposure

kokorodoko wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 4:45 am I hope to dear God you're a newer member and you haven't been hanging around since 2014.

2006, and if you'd have pulled this nazi apologist shit back then you'd have been dragged by half the board.

kokorodoko wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 4:45 am The things you talk about here do not refer to anything real

OrthodoxEaster wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2024 7:50 pm I salute you in calling out disinformation and propaganda.

If you two nazi apologists have quite finished your circle-jerk, maybe you can explain what in your minds is going on in this BBC piece from 2014 - did Russian actors sneak into Ukraine to fool a BBC filming unit?




A few quotes to chew on:

Atlantic Council, 2018:

It sounds like the stuff of Kremlin propaganda, but it’s not. Last week Hromadske Radio revealed that Ukraine’s Ministry of Youth and Sports is funding the neo-Nazi group C14 to promote “national patriotic education projects” in the country.

Reuters, 2018:

Progressive activists describe a new climate of fear that they say has been intensifying ever since last year's near-fatal stabbing of anti-war activist Stas Serhiyenko, which is believed to have been perpetrated by an extremist group named C14 (the name refers to a 14-word slogan popular among white supremacists).

BBC, 2012:

Last week (20/12/12) the charismatic Tyahnybok was voted Person of the Year by readers of the country's leading news magazine, Korrespondent.
In 2004, Tyahnybok was kicked out of former President Viktor Yushchenko's parliamentary faction for a speech calling for Ukrainians to fight against a "Muscovite-Jewish mafia".
Other Svoboda members have also courted controversy. Yuriy Mykhalchyshyn, a parliamentary deputy considered one of the party's ideologues, liberally quotes from former Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels, along with other National-Socialist leaders.

Parliamentary discussion in the European parliament, 2015:

In early January 2015, a torch‐lit march took place in the Ukrainian capital, Kyiv. The ceremony is an infamous relic of the period of the Nazis' rise to power and reign of terror.... This time it took place in Ukraine, where demonstrators were carrying portraits of the nationalist Stepan Bandera, whose Ukrainian Insurgent Army collaborated with the Nazi occupation forces, including in military operations that are now recognised as war crimes. The march was organised by the Svoboda Party and the Right Sector organisation.

This was not just a demonstration organised by an extreme‐right fringe group, since representatives of Right Sector and its ideological ally the Azov Battalion are sitting today in Ukraine's parliament.

Guardian, 2014:

Dmitry – which he said is not his real name – is a native of east Ukraine and a member of the Azov battalion
Dmitry claimed not to be a Nazi, but waxed lyrical about Adolf Hitler as a military leader, and believes the Holocaust never happened.

Declassified UK, one week before the Russian invasion:

Now an official regiment within the NGU – and therefore part of Ukraine’s Ministry of Internal Affairs – Azov fighters have been pictured in eastern Ukraine with Nazi insignia such as swastikas and SS runes on their helmets.

John Pilger, one week before the Russian invasion:

On 16 December, the United Nations tabled a resolution that called for “combating glorification of Nazism, neo-Nazism and other practices that contribute to fuelling contemporary forms of racism”. The only nations to vote against it were the United States and Ukraine.

Curry Pervert wrote: I might as well be a Trump voter, at least as far as foreign policy is concerned.

You're back at this again? What happened? Did Dad take the car?

Curry Pervert wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 4:09 pm If you two nazi apologists have quite finished your circle-jerk,

Ugh, that's such a bullshit move it makes it almost impossible to even bother with all the work you put into the rest of it.

Meanwhile, I don't agree w/everything in here, but I found this to be a pretty thoughtful take on the current situation. W/talk of actual realistic solutions, as opposed to just bellyaching, cherry-picked, and distracting (not to mention Putin-parroting) bullshit about phantom "Nazis" that appeal to outdated WWII emotions rather than to the reality of the situation:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/17/opin ... a-war.html

(Lemme know if anyone wants this copied from behind the paywall.)

The writer smartly touches on the paradox of NATO or no-NATO, as well as the irony of Ukraine, out of benevolence and deference to Russia, giving up a massive stockpile of nukes that it could have used as a threat to prevent exactly what's happening now (thanks, Bill Clinton).

Sort of explains how on one hand, the U.S. supports what most ordinary Ukrainians have wanted for decades, but on the other hand, the U.S. does so cynically and weakly, in a half-assed proxy war. B/c what most Ukrainians want from their country also happens to conveniently annoy Russia. But then America doesn't deliver nearly enough follow-thru to actually make good on its promises. W/Ukraine caught in the middle. And how this has been going on for like 30 fucking years.

As a (first generation) Ukrainian American, I wouldn't give a shit about losing Crimea and chunks of the Donbas (Ukraine's Rustbelt crossed w/Ukraine's West Virginia, ie post-industrial hell) for this fucking war to end ASAP.

On the other hand, short of joining NATO or becoming a Belarus-style Putin puppet state, how to you guarantee that Russia doesn't attack again the minute that Ukraine does something Russia doesn't like? (For a far softer example, see the article upthread I posted about how Russia manipulates the Republic of Georgia's wine market, even today.)

Russia already broke that promise twice after signing the Budapest Memorandum in 1994, supposedly guaranteeing it would never attack Ukraine, including Crimea, in exchange for Ukraine giving up the aforementioned nukes it could have used as a counterweight.

Again, Russia absolutely cannot be trusted as far as Ukraine is concerned. Never could be. About the only thing it seems to understand is brute force, as Afghanistan exhibited. At the same time, the current situation is also completely awful and very much unsustainable.

Yeah, the US clearly fucked Ukraine on that deal. However, wasn't that with Yeltsin?