Conspiracy Theories (with Contrapoints)

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I watched Natalie Wynn's latest epic on conspiracy theories. It's very much worth your time. It's pretty long but the primary thesis presented is that conspiracy theorists are emotional in the right place in questioning power both hidden and overt, but asking questions that end up distracting from real problems and therefore helping to continue injustice. This isn't really a new idea, but it's articulated in a really incisive and entertaining way.

https://youtu.be/teqkK0RLNkI?si=ijzAMXInuA_OR2mn

Personally I think there are conspiracies, they just happen in board rooms and government departments and are mostly hiding in plain sight.
clocker bob may 30, 2006 wrote:I think the possibility of interbreeding between an earthly species and an extraterrestrial species is as believable as any other explanation for the existence of George W. Bush.

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losthighway wrote:
Gramsci wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 2:35 pm Personally I think there are conspiracies, they just happen in board rooms and government departments and are mostly hiding in plain sight.
And if you wanted to conspire you would just have to love conspiracy theorists, because they just muddy up the waters and provide nonsensical cover for all the actual nefarious stuff.
In plain sight, yes, but also out of sight. The FISA Court, for example. Conspiracism and civil liberty violations have increased together.

I'm a Contrapoints fan and have a lifelong interest in conspiracy theories and the nutjobs that fall for them, so I'm a mark for this video.

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losthighway wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 8:16 pm
Gramsci wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2025 2:35 pm Personally I think there are conspiracies, they just happen in board rooms and government departments and are mostly hiding in plain sight.
And if you wanted to conspire you would just have to love conspiracy theorists, because they just muddy up the waters and provide nonsensical cover for all the actual nefarious stuff.
This.

No group of people has been worse at uncovering actual conspiracies than conspiracy theorists. They prattle on for decades about how, any day now, the doors will be blown off the faked moon landing or 9/11 or whatever, and nothing ever happens.

The mainstream press broke the Tuskegee experiment story.

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hbiden@onlyfans.com wrote: Mon Jul 14, 2025 6:05 pm i don't understand this one. why would trump plan his own assassination? with live ammo? the downsides are obvious.
If you recruit a loner kid with no prospects, tell him to take some potshots around the guy running for office, and it will make the guy be in charge just like they did in Germany in the 30s, maybe he does that. The candidate tells him he will be a big hero, protected, nothing will. And what the mark doesn't reckon on is actually getting killed by secret service.
"I got to tell you, if I went to a show and an opening band I never heard of lugged a Super Six on stage, I am paying attention." - Owen

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jirbling rake wrote: Mon Jul 14, 2025 10:32 pm
hbiden@onlyfans.com wrote: Mon Jul 14, 2025 6:05 pm i don't understand this one. why would trump plan his own assassination? with live ammo? the downsides are obvious.
If you recruit a loner kid with no prospects, tell him to take some potshots around the guy running for office, and it will make the guy be in charge just like they did in Germany in the 30s, maybe he does that. The candidate tells him he will be a big hero, protected, nothing will. And what the mark doesn't reckon on is actually getting killed by secret service.
how does trump coordinate with the ss to let crooks get that close without killing him beforehand?
how would maga have guaranteed his silence if ss hadn't killed him?

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That one just doesn’t need a conspiracy theory. Loner with gun isn’t exactly out of the ordinary in the US. I’d say it’s more of a conspiracy theory to say why haven’t there been more attempts over the years.
clocker bob may 30, 2006 wrote:I think the possibility of interbreeding between an earthly species and an extraterrestrial species is as believable as any other explanation for the existence of George W. Bush.

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