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tommydski wrote:i will accept jesus was white when it is proved elvis was black.

*robots*
"i am...the original....black elvis"

Of course he was



and Willem Dafoe is a distant relative.

I am the way, the truth and the light, m'nigga.

Tom wrote:

Linus Van Pelt wrote:For my part, I can't decide whether I believe in it or not.

Really?

You can't decide if you believe that an image of Jesus Christ was transferred onto cloth 1900 years before photo transfer was even thought about?

Really?

Yeah, I don't know. I never really gave it that much thought. I figured that maybe if a piece of cloth sat on the face and body of a dirty, sweaty, oily, bloody guy* for a while, that maybe the cloth would get stained and discolored on the parts that touched his face and body, and an "image" might be "transferred" onto the cloth. Maybe that's impossible, I don't know. If it is, I'm dumb, and that's okay. It doesn't seem ridiculous, though. But no, I never once for a moment thought that it was a "miracle" or that it had anything to do with the "divinity" or any other special quality of Jesus.

No, this shroud is not bonafide. I think it's been pretty well established that the fabric is from the middle ages.

I was under the impression that there had been concerns about the carbon dating from actual respected scientific sources. Not concerns about carbon dating in general, but specifically about the carbon dating of the shroud. But I might be wrong about that too.
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Bradley: Thank you for the picture. It's the one that I was talking about.



*... as matthew reaches for the kleenex box...

Tom wrote:

Linus Van Pelt wrote:For my part, I can't decide whether I believe in it or not.

Really?

You can't decide if you believe that an image of Jesus Christ was transferred onto cloth 1900 years before photo transfer was even thought about?

Really?

I think this would be possible. If you would lay yourself on a piece of cloth for a day, exposed to sunlight, I think at the end of the day you would at least see a bit of your profile projected in the cloth, in negative.

And I think this is also the most basic idea of how photography works.

I'll try it this summer.
Will report back on the Shroud of Lansingo.

Tom wrote:I'll try it this summer.
Will report back on the Shroud of Lansingo.

I'm sure you can handle dirty, sweaty, and oily, but if you need help getting bloody, give me a call.

Drummer Jim White of The Dirty Three looks like a white Jesus

That picture of Victor French brought back memories. As a kid, I participated in a lot of church youth group activities, mostly to keep my mom happy. I remember sitting in a room at an inner-city Baltimore church on one of these mission trips with our assistant pastor. Didn't know much about the guy, only knew that Baptist pastors are basically tight-assed and brook not even a whiff of heresy.

So he looks at the obligatory portrait of Christ on the wall in which Jesus looks a lot like Jared Leto. And he says, "I don't know what's wrong with people. It's obvious Jesus didn't look like that. He probably looked like Victor French in Carter Country."

After my shock wore off, I laughed so long and so hard that when I could get my breath back, he wasn't even in the room anymore.

Drummer Jim White of The Dirty Three looks like a white Jesus

He does?



Looks more like a cuddly mafia guy to me.