hunter is a bigger creep than al franken (just off the top of my head) and has benefitted more than he suffered for his name.

having said that, if i were joe i would be putting my grandkids first too. that's the legacy i care about.

eephus wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 11:04 pm

zorg wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 1:54 pm

eephus wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 1:28 pm

you don't have to pay your taxes. try it and see how it goes

Not sure where you're going with this, but I imagine that it would end much like Hunter's experience, but without the pardon. I struggle to see how anybody (other than his parents) could have anything but zero sympathy for a nepo-baby millionaire who drags other people down with him, including his love child. There are limits to what an addiction can absolve you of, and he has easily exceeded those.

do it, no one's making you pay them

what a nepo baby, with his money and whatever. why on earth didn't all that make up for his dead mom and brother, filling the hole they left in him, not to do drugs like a fool. one must be punished for such awful transgressions.

Dude, if you're suffering, I'm genuinely sorry, and all the best to you. I hope you find both peace and a lasting joy. I am lucky enough to not suffer from addiction, but I have loved ones who do, and I recognize the struggle. That said, even within that category we must prioritize and Hunter Biden comes in at the very very bottom for all the reasons already stated....slimy rich entrepreneur, possessing the ultimate safety net, ruining innocent peoples' lives with egregious intent. These are not crimes of an addict. These are the crimes of an asshole.

But unless you've hacked the Matrix, yes, somebody is making me pay taxes. An employer isn't even allowed to withhold 0% from your weekly paycheck.... and then on to the legal enforcement and so on. It is clearly a crime to do otherwise, as illustrated here by Hunter's experience.

Getting Hunter Biden out of jail does no harm to anyone. It's not like there's a zero sum pardon game that some folks just lost out on.

It's his son, and his son was completely railroaded by a system we all claim to hate, by a party most agree is evil. Joe's already lost a wife, another son, etc. You think he's gonna just stand by on some moral code for a country that just tossed him aside like garbage? Who the fuck cares?

Bigger fish to fry here IMO. One good thing happened to a person I may not like. Good. Whether I like someone isn't a factor in this. He was getting fucked, his dad had the power to unfuck him, so he did. Legally. BFD.

Frankie99 wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 9:07 am You think he's gonna just stand by on some moral code for a country that just tossed him aside like garbage?

Sweet Jesus, I wish you were on my side, this kind of blind worship is exactly what I'm not getting at home. you make him sound like a battered woman. I might mention that it is ironic and funny that you use the word "garbage".

There is a zero sum pardon game that a great many people lost out on. All the people who are incarcerated (even for lesser crimes) and who don't have a "get out of jail free" card.

zorg wrote:

Frankie99 wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 9:07 am You think he's gonna just stand by on some moral code for a country that just tossed him aside like garbage?

Sweet Jesus, I wish you were on my side, this kind of blind worship is exactly what I'm not getting at home. you make him sound like a battered woman. I might mention that it is ironic and funny that you use the word "garbage".

There is a zero sum pardon game that a great many people lost out on. All the people who are incarcerated (even for lesser crimes) and who don't have a "get out of jail free" card.

I 100% disagree with you on this, I think you're guided by a flexible moral code that isn't informed by a cohesive world view.

I have no use for Joe Biden, but I'm able to remove my bias against him to look at this from a perspective I may not personally choose. There is zero worship here, and I'm disappointed that you took that route. It is intellectually lazy.

And yes, you should wish for me to be on your side. Your other assumptions however, are unfounded.

Frankie99 wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:46 am Your other assumptions however, are unfounded.

So I was reading your comments concerning your lack of empathy for people in places of power in the Gleeful Reaction thread, and I have to admit I am curious where you draw the line, because it's in stark contrast really. As Gramsci mentions

"Your politicians are stooges to the medical insurance industry."

zorg wrote:

Frankie99 wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:46 am Your other assumptions however, are unfounded.

So I was reading your comments concerning your lack of empathy for people in places of power in the Gleeful Reaction thread, and I have to admit I am curious where you draw the line, because it's in stark contrast really. As Gramsci mentions

"Your politicians are stooges to the medical insurance industry."

Actively participating in the suffering of humans knowingly for profit and nothing more vs. like, not.

And, though I feel these distinctions are evident, also keep in mind at no point did I ever say what either person did was "good." I only said that nothing good would come from Hunters imprisonment. That should be fairly obvious to anyone.

I also made it clear I didn't think Brian what's his name should be murdered, but I of course sympathize with anyone who feels that he participated knowingly in a scheme designed to hurt the most vulnerable of people he was already taking money from. And with people who feel that removing him as an oppressor would be justified. Don't condone it, won't do it myself, but the people doing it have a compelling case to make.

Maybe blood lust is a game for people other than me, but the above all seems like a foundational position for anyone interested in eliminating unnecessary suffering.

Don't think that's very murky.

Frankie99 wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:46 am I 100% disagree with you on this, I think you're guided by a flexible moral code that isn't informed by a cohesive world view.

there's usually something that will turn a given person into a cop

https://www.thenation.com/article/polit ... ht-mystal/

Clutch your pearls all you want Zorg