I haven’t heard Birds of Avalon. Hawkwind was of course a good suggestion and Earthless was a good recommendation. The 1973 Tempest (Allan Holdsworth) s/t record was recommended by a friend and that kinda hit the mark for me.

“Jam” I think is a really vague term and I should have been more specific. Say what you will about the Dead, but at their best they could take blues and folk based songs into some cool sonic voyages without (IMO) being too flashy about it. Now I’m not sure if that kind of songwriting is really “jam” or if it’s leaning more into prog or jazz?

twelvepoint wrote: Sun Sep 14, 2025 8:12 am I haven’t heard Birds of Avalon. Hawkwind was of course a good suggestion and Earthless was a good recommendation. The 1973 Tempest (Allan Holdsworth) s/t record was recommended by a friend and that kinda hit the mark for me.

Ah if you like tempest you may also enjoy the following krautrock:

Amon Düül II
Guru Guru
A. R. & Machines
Ash Ra Tempel

(if you haven't heard already)

twelvepoint wrote: Sun Sep 14, 2025 8:12 am I haven’t heard Birds of Avalon. Hawkwind was of course a good suggestion and Earthless was a good recommendation. The 1973 Tempest (Allan Holdsworth) s/t record was recommended by a friend and that kinda hit the mark for me.

“Jam” I think is a really vague term and I should have been more specific. Say what you will about the Dead, but at their best they could take blues and folk based songs into some cool sonic voyages without (IMO) being too flashy about it. Now I’m not sure if that kind of songwriting is really “jam” or if it’s leaning more into prog or jazz?

This particular part got me thinking of Chelsea Wolfe does some of the time.

It's not really a constant, but it is there in some of her music. Also, has a foot in the "Stoner..." territory for sure.

enframed wrote: Sun Sep 14, 2025 10:15 pm
Ah if you like tempest you may also enjoy the following krautrock:

Amon Düül II
Guru Guru
A. R. & Machines
Ash Ra Tempel

(if you haven't heard already)

I hadn’t heard Guru Guru or A.R. & Machines. I listened to A.R. & Machines this morning and it fucking rules. It’s definitely more out there than I expected and only hints at riff-rock but I dig it. Thanks for the recco, although I fear we may be way outside of Fu Manchu here and I apologize if this should have been another thread.

twelvepoint wrote: Mon Sep 15, 2025 8:13 am

enframed wrote: Sun Sep 14, 2025 10:15 pm
Ah if you like tempest you may also enjoy the following krautrock:

Amon Düül II
Guru Guru
A. R. & Machines
Ash Ra Tempel

(if you haven't heard already)

I hadn’t heard Guru Guru or A.R. & Machines. I listened to A.R. & Machines this morning and it fucking rules. It’s definitely more out there than I expected and only hints at riff-rock but I dig it. Thanks for the recco, although I fear we may be way outside of Fu Manchu here and I apologize if this should have been another thread.

Happy to hear you liked A.R. & Machines. I only have Die Grune Reise, I like it.

No worries about hijacking. It makes sense to change the subject when the main subject is kinda bland.

I never think about this band, but because this thread exists I clicked on a Reddit thread about them. Seems a complete loser stole one of their pedals after a show and it's on camera. It's cringe-inducing and requires a stronger trigger warning than the Charlie Kirk video.


https://www.reddit.com/r/stonerrock/com ... are_button

What a dick. Touring bands don't have it hard enough?

What a couple of smirking dicks. I hope they both get clubbed with the butt of a P-bass next show they attend.

Of course I'm sure Fu Manchu can and will be hooked up with any badass pedals they need.

Fucking entitled jerks.

One of those guys in that video reminded me of this

Straight Edge Friend Total Scumbag in Every Other Way Possible

BANGOR, Maine — Local man Kyle Matthews has a moral character defined by insidious traits that have led many to describe him as “the biggest scumbag walking the planet” despite living a clean-cut lifestyle completely free of drug and alcohol abuse.

“He used to be a cool guy back when he listened to like Fat Wreck Chords stuff. But it seems like the day he got into hardcore and claimed edge he also made a vow to be a gigantic, throbbing dickbag on every level possible,” said Matthews’ brother, Pete, who recently let Matthews borrow his car with a full tank of gas and had it returned empty.

Many of Matthews’ closest friends verified the claim that despite the sober lifestyle advertised on many of his articles of clothing, he is indeed a terrible human with very little redeeming social value.

“He always suggests ordering pizza and then announces he ‘doesn’t have cash’ once the delivery guy shows up. Then he proceeds to eat more slices than anyone and hog all the breadsticks,” said longtime friend Nicole Nelson. “Then he will justify it by saying we are all getting fat and he is doing us a favor, piece of shit.”

Accusations against Matthews, who, according to feed-clogging Facebook posts lives free of addiction, range from the benign to illegal.

“Homie will gamble on anything and then take forever to pay you; I owed him money once after losing a game of Connect Four and he took a swing at me,” said George Smith, Matthews’ coworker at Unlimited Screen Printing. “He said I was taking too long to pay him; it had been 45 minutes.”

“All those ‘one life drug-free’ tats don’t stop him from going to bars and trying to pick up drunk girls,” said Tonya Fuller, bartender at The Horse’s Mouth. “He acts all drunk and gets a girl to take an Uber home with him, but he always turns and winks at me when he is leaving. He’s human trash.”

When asked how he related to the lyrics in Minor Threat’s lifestyle-defining songs, Matthews callously responded, “Fuck Minor Threat, fuck Ian, and fuck you. I’ve got better things to do than listen to that bullshit. Money over everything, bitch.”

Photo by Roger Braunstein.


https://thehardtimes.net/culture/straig ... -possible/