rsmurphy wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 12:43 pm Dad Rock is what I think when I think of Wilco.

Tough with them:
Stones informed rock stomper, standing ovation improvised guitar solo on the coda- these things are dad rock.

Prepared drum set, Philip Glass inspired textural work, existential dread- not very dad rock .

Final Cut is a weird record that's both overproduced and not very catchy and a bit clunky. But I think it also has a lot of heart and Waters himself is someone I respect, so I dunno, NC on that one.

The Wall was great when I was a teenager, but those themes of being under control by teachers, parents are way in my past, so it doesn't really move me anymore. But who knows, maybe someday I'll be a jaded rock star and the Wall will have a whole new meaning for me!

I rarely reach for The Final Cut when I'm in a PF mood, but when I do it's "The Gunner's Dream," "Not Now John," and "Two Suns in the Sunset."

Johnny Doglands wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:57 am

m3kcomp wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:06 am I have a distinct memory of being in my early teens and realizing music nazis existed while listening to some blowhard, hardly a year my senior, wax poetic about how the best era of Pink Floyd was Barrett's. Pretty funny stuff, almost 30 years later.

Not crap. For all of the reasons and more listed above.

Seven pages in and you Godwin'd it. For clarification, were early Pink Floyd nazis or just the people who like them?

Haha. Neither.

You've never heard that term before? It has nothing to do the the Nazi party proper, man...or (The) Pink Floyd:

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define. ... sic%20Nazi

m3kcomp wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 5:45 pm

Johnny Doglands wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:57 am

m3kcomp wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:06 am I have a distinct memory of being in my early teens and realizing music nazis existed while listening to some blowhard, hardly a year my senior, wax poetic about how the best era of Pink Floyd was Barrett's. Pretty funny stuff, almost 30 years later.

Not crap. For all of the reasons and more listed above.

Seven pages in and you Godwin'd it. For clarification, were early Pink Floyd nazis or just the people who like them?

Haha. Neither.

You've never heard that term before? It has nothing to do the the Nazi party proper, man...or (The) Pink Floyd:

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define. ... sic%20Nazi

No problem man. Due to my half-jew-is-no-jew status, one day I'm deeply offended by improper use of the term 'Nazi' and the next I'm brushing my hair into a side-parting, putting a toothbrush under my nose and saying "I vill not tolerate ze music of ze David Gilmour version of der Pink Floyd!". Carry on.

PASTA wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:19 am

Dudley wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:42 am

I also think a fair bit of the Syd stuff has been redefined by hindsight. "Syd was a genius therefore "Bike" is brilliant," etc. Don't get me wrong, I love a lot of "The Madcap Laughs", and a fair bit of the Syd PF stuff, but I think this insistence that there were two sides, and one was great and the other shite, just feels invented retrospectively and reverse engineered.

I hear ya, BUT "Bike" is a fucking brilliant and fun song.

Yeah, I used to love it. I think I might have burned out the whimsy receptors in my brain. Hopefully this is temporary and I will be able to love it again some day!

losthighway wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 1:45 pm

existential dread- not very dad rock .

dude,
being a parent is ALL ABOUT existential dread . I am constantly apologizing to my kids for bringing them into this world that their grandparents generation completely fucked up.

motorbike guy wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 9:01 am

losthighway wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 1:45 pm

existential dread- not very dad rock .

dude,
being a parent is ALL ABOUT existential dread . I am constantly apologizing to my kids for bringing them into this world that their grandparents generation completely fucked up.

Fellow dad here. Agreed, the existential dread is a part of parenthood. I just thought the term dad rock denoted something way too lite for such dark musing. Perhaps the genre is more potent than the journalists made it sound.

I love PATGOD and really like half of The Wall. "Have a Cigar" has great lyrics sung well by the non Floyd singer. Really don't care for anything else by them, especially DSOTM or Meddle. Those two seem to cream a lot of jeans.

Dadrock is an intergenerational term now so it's complex. It's probably more attitude than style. For my generation it would perhaps be exemplified by the Foo Fighters.

A certain conservatism I guess?

I think anxiety is common to both dadness and conservatism, and sublimated anxiety is not out of place in dadrock, but I also think Roger Waters is also probably too much of a political radical to ever be comfortable as a dadrock figure.