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handsbloodyhands wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 1:21 pm These two discuss that very subject in their interview. To paraphrase, the hippie boomers turned into the "we know better and what's best for you ignorant blue collar folks" managerial class of today. The're no bread and butter issues being worked on. If Hilary's handlers would have fully embraced Sanders talking issues and not run with the "Bernie Bros" tag she probably would have won.
I think she might just want to stay away from commentary on DEI. I understand she doesn't give one fuck, but it's a bad look. Assuming a proper class stance is the correct way to enable DEI, with that I agree, but saying DEI is only a tool for manipulation is exaggerated.

I DO find her abject hatred of class traitors very refreshing.

She seems to fault a person for making money. I would fault a person for making too much money.

The idea that Hilary Clinton is guilty of class sexism is fucking insane. She lost because the karmic rubber band snapped back. She came to fuck around and talk all kinds of shit - that's what people found repugnant about her. She talked shit, and didn't wanna do for us. She wanted to do for her, because it was her time. That's why she lost.

I rather liked the video. I'd suggest it. The professor's understanding of class war is exceptional.

Gramsci wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 1:33 pm I highly recommend this video.


I like the idea of 'Ruthless Actors'. He makes them feel like a constant restraint on humanity. Something we can't avoid. A constant threat of exploitation. Bad Seeds, if you like.

His beliefs/views of Utopian Anarchism are extremely similar to mine.

He understands the desire of home ownership and public schools as radicalizing forces. That's something you don't hear a lot here in the US, except for perhaps the last two weeks or so.

Attacking Wealth Inequality is a very noble cause.

On a production level - some of the bits work for me, I wasn't invested in the opening allegory (maybe that's the point), and I'd cut about three and a half minutes.

I'd suggest this video also. He seems to have an innate understanding of what workers are facing today.

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AttackChimp wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 2:37 pm
handsbloodyhands wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 1:21 pm These two discuss that very subject in their interview. To paraphrase, the hippie boomers turned into the "we know better and what's best for you ignorant blue collar folks" managerial class of today. The're no bread and butter issues being worked on. If Hilary's handlers would have fully embraced Sanders talking issues and not run with the "Bernie Bros" tag she probably would have won.
I think she might just want to stay away from commentary on DEI. I understand she doesn't give one fuck, but it's a bad look. Assuming a proper class stance is the correct way to enable DEI, with that I agree, but saying DEI is only a tool for manipulation is exaggerated.

I DO find her abject hatred of class traitors very refreshing.

She seems to fault a person for making money. I would fault a person for making too much money.

The idea that Hilary Clinton is guilty of class sexism is fucking insane. She lost because the karmic rubber band snapped back. She came to fuck around and talk all kinds of shit - that's what people found repugnant about her. She talked shit, and didn't wanna do for us. She wanted to do for her, because it was her time. That's why she lost.

I rather liked the video. I'd suggest it. The professor's understanding of class war is exceptional.

Gramsci wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 1:33 pm I highly recommend this video.


I like the idea of 'Ruthless Actors'. He makes them feel like a constant restraint on humanity. Something we can't avoid. A constant threat of exploitation. Bad Seeds, if you like.

His beliefs/views of Utopian Anarchism are extremely similar to mine.

He understands the desire of home ownership and public schools as radicalizing forces. That's something you don't hear a lot here in the US, except for perhaps the last two weeks or so.

Attacking Wealth Inequality is a very noble cause.

On a production level - some of the bits work for me, I wasn't invested in the opening allegory (maybe that's the point), and I'd cut about three and a half minutes.

I'd suggest this video also. He seems to have an innate understanding of what workers are facing today.
I like his videos. He’s a good anecdote to a lot of alt right stuff because he just comes across like a normal guy.

He does fall into a bit of a common trap of having a very restricted understanding of socialism. That of socialism as “The State”, rather than socialism as workplace democracy and cooperative ownership. Markets and business exist outside of capitalist ownership structures. There’s nothing to say we can’t have cooperatively owned businesses competing against one another parallel to a social democratic public realm.. The problem with the current system is exploitation not competition or even markets.
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Gramsci wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 4:02 pm He does fall into a bit of a common trap of having a very restricted understanding of socialism. That of socialism as “The State”, rather than socialism as workplace democracy and cooperative ownership. Markets and business exist outside of capitalist ownership structures. There’s nothing to say we can’t have cooperatively owned businesses competing against one another parallel to a social democratic public realm.. The problem with the current system is exploitation not competition or even markets.
Can you fault someone for hoping The State could actually be the antidote to wealth inequality? I don't know that answer to that, and can't really see issues like this clearly. I'm probably as woefully unaware of what Socialism actually looks like, because frankly I'm distrustful of inorganic systems. I also probably don't have a fully fleshed-out understanding of Socialism on an ideological level. I feel like The State as inoculant against oppression is Communism.

I do sympathize with the idea that Laws are for us, to be used against centralized power. Also IMO, property law perverts the laws of life and limb. It's an incongruent belief for someone who professes to be a Utopian Anarchist, but here I am in all my crapulence. I figure, we'll eventually get there if we try.

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Gunna take a few days off and educate myself. Gunna read Marx, and take in a bunch of Wollf and Zizek lectures.

I have other reading, but I'd love suggestions for you cats. Mostly interested in socialism and communism. Not so interested in Marx-As-Christ...


Stay safe. Be well.

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AttackChimp wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 10:10 am I have other reading, but I'd love suggestions for you cats. Mostly interested in socialism and communism.
A kind of founding moral text for me is Aimé Césaire's 1956 letter to the French Communist Party.

If you're doing Marx then the Lukacs essay on "Ortodoxy" and the Karl Korsch one on "Marxism and Philosophy" will place you at once on the correct path. Unironically Stalin's "Foundations of Leninism" is a good brief history on precisely what made the Bolsheviks, and Lenin's Marxism, distinct, and how that tied to the wider controversies in the European socialist movement. On the philosophical background see Beiser : The Fate of German Reason + After Hegel.
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AttackChimp wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 10:10 am Gunna take a few days off and educate myself. Gunna read Marx, and take in a bunch of Wollf and Zizek lectures.

I have other reading, but I'd love suggestions for you cats. Mostly interested in socialism and communism. Not so interested in Marx-As-Christ...


Stay safe. Be well.
This is a decent in depth

clocker bob may 30, 2006 wrote:I think the possibility of interbreeding between an earthly species and an extraterrestrial species is as believable as any other explanation for the existence of George W. Bush.

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AttackChimp wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 10:10 am Gunna take a few days off and educate myself. Gunna read Marx, and take in a bunch of Wollf and Zizek lectures.

I have other reading, but I'd love suggestions for you cats. Mostly interested in socialism and communism. Not so interested in Marx-As-Christ...


Stay safe. Be well.
I feel like you're being honest and sincere here. I am not sure. Been a weird few weeks of your posts on this ol' board, have to say. No shade, just being honest.

If so, The Pedagogy of the Oppressed by Paulo Freire set my head on fire when I read it nearly 30 years ago now. It set my watch in a way for how I approach that aspect of my life (which is, you know, LIFE).

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