losthighway wrote: Tue Jul 15, 2025 7:33 am I'd say not believing a conspiracy theory is a pretty good default.

What I've seen of people talking about this event is the idea that the ear shot was an incredibly unlikely angle and the wound was strangely small. From there people are grabbing lots of photos of Trump taken after the event where there is no visible scarring. So I guess overall the claim is that he wasn't actually shot at all.

thats my feeling too. he was barely grazed by shrapnel if anything.
but there was no coverup. he didn't know about it beforehand.

hbiden@onlyfans.com wrote: Tue Jul 15, 2025 7:16 am

Gramsci wrote: Tue Jul 15, 2025 6:16 am You’re taking an anti vax conspiracy website as the source of authority. A child died and these goblins are milking it. That’s the story.

a child died and everyone else ignored it. that's the story.
a few outlets covered the story, but that's the only one that talked to the family and published their video without cuts. it broke my heart.

Question, are you an antivaxer? If so, disappointing.

antivaxers aren't human.

I get that it’s terrible a child died. I just think if the reason for the death is given as vaccinations on an antivax website run by JKF Jr it’s likely there’s some bad faith going on.

hbiden@onlyfans.com wrote: Tue Jul 15, 2025 8:01 am thats my feeling too. he was barely grazed by shrapnel if anything.
but there was no coverup. he didn't know about it beforehand.

Seems a reasonable read: a close call was exaggerated for its obvious political power. One thing that has given this legs is the lack of information (hence your accurate use of the word 'feeling'). It was a significant event, but the media, the Secret Service, the FBI and the medical providers haven't filled in so many details ranging from why a right wing kid turned shockingly violent against a president he'd publicly supported, to what exactly was the tissue damage and treatment on the glorious leader's ear.

I wonder these things but I don't love talking about them because the information is not forthcoming and musing on it builds association between me and total wingnuts.

it's not a hoax. saniya carter was absolutely overvaccinated on mar 26 and passed away on mar 27. there is no other explanation. she wasn't sick or injured. they're supposed to space them apart, and the doctors failed to do that. she was just a baby. medical negligence.

losthighway wrote: Tue Jul 15, 2025 9:18 am

hbiden@onlyfans.com wrote: Tue Jul 15, 2025 8:01 am thats my feeling too. he was barely grazed by shrapnel if anything.
but there was no coverup. he didn't know about it beforehand.

Seems a reasonable read: a close call was exaggerated for its obvious political power. One thing that has given this legs is the lack of information (hence your accurate use of the word 'feeling'). It was a significant event, but the media, the Secret Service, the FBI and the medical providers haven't filled in so many details ranging from why a right wing kid turned shockingly violent against a president he'd publicly supported, to what exactly was the tissue damage and treatment on the glorious leader's ear.

I wonder these things but I don't love talking about them because the information is not forthcoming and musing on it builds association between me and total wingnuts.

muse away! we all have a little wingnut here in this thread.

hbiden@onlyfans.com wrote: Tue Jul 15, 2025 7:19 am [
it seems like people will believe anything to help explain how trump won and don't want to give crooks credit for being on their "side."

that's quite a fucking leap if you're talking about my posts, friend. I don't think the shooting has anything to do with Trump winning.

I think he has fans in secret service, just as he does elsewhere in gov.

The conspiracy theory things are what others have said:
- the little interest or info on the shooter
- the lack of information about Trump's injuries
- the seemingly long time they took to get him off stage so he could say something
- the lack of reporting around the person who was killed

and on and on. It doesn't matter, ultimately.

What is worth noting, in terms of allegiances and the way the wind was/is blowing among the upper classes, was the lack of reporting and accountability about the wound to his ear. That was all a pure Trump con. Never released a picture, never any info, humongous pad on his ear at the Republican convention, claims of the severity of the wound that are clearly untrue—that's all Trump.

And the press doesn't examine it because they don't, and their owners (Bezos, et al) don't want them to, care.

Democrats lost because...well that's a whole other thread of opinions.

People also have a conspiracy theory about it because of the belief that assassination attempts against Hitler helped his popularity, and that with so much of what Miller/Bannon/Trump do mirrors/follows how the Nazi came to power in the 1930s, why wouldn't Trump also have an assassination attempt? Several, in fact.

Gramsci wrote: Tue Jul 15, 2025 8:54 amit’s likely there’s some bad faith going on.

Gramsci wrote: Tue Jul 15, 2025 6:16 amIf so, disappointing.

I'm surprised that you're surprised

jirbling rake wrote: Tue Jul 15, 2025 6:02 pm

hbiden@onlyfans.com wrote: Tue Jul 15, 2025 7:19 am it seems like people will believe anything to help explain how trump won and don't want to give crooks credit for being on their "side."

that's quite a fucking leap if you're talking about my posts, friend. I don't think the shooting has anything to do with Trump winning.

i'm just going by the general wisdom. maybe he would've won anyway. i'll give you credit for believing that the hoax was his idea even if it didn't 'help' him (and could have possibly killed him).

cnn wrote:July 13, 2024, ultimately became the one of the most pivotal moments of Trump’s entire campaign. And the days that followed changed the entirety of the general election and MAGA movement.

Less than 48 hours after the assassination attempt in Butler, Pennsylvania, Trump named then-Sen. JD Vance as his vice presidential running mate. Three days after that, Trump took the stage triumphantly at the Republican National Convention in Milwaukee, wearing a bandage over an ear that had been hit by a bullet. That Sunday, then-President Joe Biden announced he was withdrawing from the race after his disastrous debate performance in June.

Butler made the final stretch of the race far more personal for the president and his team, a White House official who also worked on the Trump 2024 campaign told CNN. The Trump team deliberately chose to ramp up the former president’s schedule after that, ensuring he “never missed a beat” on the trail, the official added. The goal was to show Trump was more committed than ever to winning the race.

“If people were going to try to do this, we were going to go even harder,” the official said. “It became bigger than the election.”
and then his poll numbers did go up, forcing biden to make the decision to drop out.

I think he has fans in secret service, just as he does elsewhere in gov.

The conspiracy theory things are what others have said:
- the little interest or info on the shooter
- the lack of information about Trump's injuries
- the seemingly long time they took to get him off stage so he could say something
- the lack of reporting around the person who was killed

huh? it was all over the news! . are any other basic facts in question? 3 guys got shot. plus crooks. plus whatever 'shrapnel' hit his ear. you think it was fake blood?

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it seems like people will believe anything to help explain how trump won and don't want to give crooks credit for being on their "side."

that's quite a fucking leap if you're talking about my posts, friend. I don't think the shooting has anything to do with Trump winning. [/quote]
i'm just going by the general wisdom. maybe he would've won anyway. i'll give you credit for believing that the hoax was his idea even if it didn't 'help' him (and could have possibly killed him).

cnn wrote:July 13, 2024, ultimately became the one of the most pivotal moments of Trump’s entire campaign. And the days that followed changed the entirety of the general election and MAGA movement.

Less than 48 hours after the assassination attempt in Butler, Pennsylvania, Trump named then-Sen. JD Vance as his vice presidential running mate. Three days after that, Trump took the stage triumphantly at the Republican National Convention in Milwaukee, wearing a bandage over an ear that had been hit by a bullet. That Sunday, then-President Joe Biden announced he was withdrawing from the race after his disastrous debate performance in June.

Butler made the final stretch of the race far more personal for the president and his team, a White House official who also worked on the Trump 2024 campaign told CNN. The Trump team deliberately chose to ramp up the former president’s schedule after that, ensuring he “never missed a beat” on the trail, the official added. The goal was to show Trump was more committed than ever to winning the race.

“If people were going to try to do this, we were going to go even harder,” the official said. “It became bigger than the election.”
and then his poll numbers did go up, forcing biden to make the decision to drop out.

I think he has fans in secret service, just as he does elsewhere in gov.

The conspiracy theory things are what others have said:
- the little interest or info on the shooter
- the lack of information about Trump's injuries
- the seemingly long time they took to get him off stage so he could say something
- the lack of reporting around the person who was killed

huh? it was all over the news! . are any other basic facts in question? 3 guys got shot. plus crooks. plus whatever 'shrapnel' hit his ear. you think it was fake blood?
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Conspiracy: Trump wouldn't have made the plan himself, and this isn't my invention (although I appreciate being nominated).

CNN: just hagiography from a company with strong Republican ties.

News: not there was no news about it, just not as much as one might expect. No basic facts in question. Possibly missed some stories, it happens.

Fake blood: he was hanging out with pro wrestlers, kayfabeing in the past. It could all be stagecraft, but it's real.

Taking a step back from this: you wanted conspiracy theories, and that's what my post was.

The shooting appears real, even with suspicious facts surrounding it. The injury to Trump's ear seems suspicious because you'd expect more marketing around it, like a gold reproduction of his ear for sale.

all further inquiries will be directed to losthighway's excellent summary: viewtopic.php?p=865874#p865874

jirbling rake wrote: Thu Jul 17, 2025 7:02 amConspiracy: Trump wouldn't have made the plan himself, and this isn't my invention (although I appreciate being nominated).

CNN: just hagiography from a company with strong Republican ties.

News: not there was no news about it, just not as much as one might expect. No basic facts in question. Possibly missed some stories, it happens.

Fake blood: he was hanging out with pro wrestlers, kayfabeing in the past. It could all be stagecraft, but it's real.

Taking a step back from this: you wanted conspiracy theories, and that's what my post was.

specifically i wanted to question anyone who thinks trump planned the whole thing and misfired, killing an innocent man. but you won't go that far, and i respect that.

ChudFusk wrote: Tue Jul 15, 2025 8:21 pm

Gramsci wrote: Tue Jul 15, 2025 8:54 amit’s likely there’s some bad faith going on.

Gramsci wrote: Tue Jul 15, 2025 6:16 amIf so, disappointing.

I'm surprised that you're surprised

don't waste your time. you're replying to a guy who still doesn't know the difference between RFK and JFK even after i corrected him.

Gramsci wrote: Wed Dec 25, 2024 6:48 amAre we really debating vaccines again…? Seems super lame and weird.

i'm not. are you?

I subscribe to no theory but this is fucking weird.

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