speedie wrote: Tue Jan 06, 2026 1:54 am We all know Lu is a good guy and a long standing memeber here.

I think he's trying to ask us "where does it end?" Greenland next? and who's going to stop this bullshit... and when? and how?

He's looking at the bigger picture than just Venezuela.

That's just my simple take on it..

*ducks for cover when Lu yells at me*

Thank you for the vote of confidence.

It's not just the ending, we are way beyond this. It's mostly starting at this point, and people having low teens out of hundred critical skill points repeating "liberal media" talking points on this forum.

And yes, let's shift our attention to Greenland now. What is the claim to fame here? The PM is running a pedophile ring so "we" have to arrest him?

Curry Pervert wrote: Mon Jan 05, 2026 7:13 pm I think Lu is frustrated that some people are believing the bogus 'drugs' propaganda, even if only to a small extent, when A) there is zero evidence to back it up, and B) even the DEA have said there is no drug running from Venezuela to the US.

See!? It's really not that hard.

Also, while we're on the topic of dealing and drugs...

Sackler family!

A possible/probable Democratic nominee in the next cycle:


I mean, what is there else to say!?

Honestly, I wouldn’t expect anything less. When did this myth the Dems are not as ghoulishly imperialistic as the GOP start? Nat Sec Dems are almost a cliché now.

Chomsky said "if the Nuremberg laws were applied, then every postwar American president would have been hanged"

Crimes against peace was the number one charge for death penalty sentences according to Nuremberg principles.

Obviously I’m not advocating the death of anyone. But post WWII these principles have been abandoned. It’s a shame they have and it’s clear that the UN Security Council’s veto for WWII victors needs to be changed.

But the weirdest part here is the raw stupidity of the Venezuelan action. No plan, not real case against Maduro. I can imagine a scenario where if it’s a trial by jury or actual neutral judges he’s released as not guilty. Imagine this happening…

Again, this is just South Park.

Gramsci wrote: Tue Jan 06, 2026 4:25 am Honestly, I wouldn’t expect anything less. When did this myth the Dems are not as ghoulishly imperialistic as the GOP start? Nat Sec Dems are almost a cliché now.

Chomsky said "if the Nuremberg laws were applied, then every postwar American president would have been hanged"

Crimes against peace was the number one charge for death penalty sentences according to Nuremberg principles.

Obviously I’m not advocating the death of anyone. But post WWII these principles have been abandoned. It’s a shame they have and it’s clear that the UN Security Council’s veto for WWII victors needs to be changed.

But the weirdest part here is the raw stupidity of the Venezuelan action. No plan, not real case against Maduro. I can imagine a scenario where if it’s a trial by jury or actual neutral judges he’s released as not guilty. Imagine this happening…

Again, this is just South Park.

It's South Park if Trey and Matt bombed 80 people to death. It stops being parody when heads start to roll.

losthighway wrote: Mon Jan 05, 2026 9:53 pm Listen to the BBC podcast Gramsci shared. There's coke in that government. As you're suggesting there's coke everywhere.

I did and by its logic the US is very much the same. Read a book. The national security apparatus, its allies, and drug trade are all inextricably linked. Afghanistan. Vietnam. Latin American. (Again) Fort Bragg. This isn’t a world where both the billions of dollars in an unaccounted for shadow economy and the actual billions they get to use to militarize against civilians - the same civilians they’re rounding up in our streets now under the pretext of a larger drug war - is ever going to go to waste.

losthighway wrote: Mon Jan 05, 2026 9:53 pm I don't understand the agonizing over this detail. It doesn't change anything about how problematic this is. It does nothing to make US actions more legal.

You came on here parroting right wing justifications for the invasion of a sovereign country and doubled and tripled down on it, but you get slippery about it every time you’re confronted. Any of the claims you make don’t hold up to scrutiny and are at best, so debatable to require a lengthy explanation that follows.

losthighway wrote: Mon Jan 05, 2026 9:53 pm I personally know Venezuelans who celebrate his downfall.

I hear crazy shit all day too and it does not help anybody’s case here, particularly if they’re trying to make a moral one.

llllllllllllllllllll wrote: Tue Jan 06, 2026 7:15 am
You came on here parroting right wing justifications for the invasion of a sovereign country and doubled and tripled down on it, but you get slippery about it every time you’re confronted. Any of the claims you make don’t hold up to scrutiny and are at best, so debatable to require a lengthy explanation that follows.

I don't get it. If you found out convincing information that Maduro had his hands in the cocain trade would you suddenly be okay with everything that's happened? It's like cops give a concussion to some guy with a joint in his car and all you can say is "he didn't have a joint in his car!". Who fucking cares if there is a joint (or in this case cocain)?

Why do you need Maduro to be a good guy for this to be wrong? Who do you think Maduro really is? Some conflicts don't have any good guys. That doesn't weaken our critique of imperialism. It adds zero justification.

llllllllllllllllllll wrote: Tue Jan 06, 2026 7:15 am
I did and by its logic the US is very much the same. Read a book. The national security apparatus, its allies, and drug trade are all inextricably linked. Afghanistan. Vietnam. Latin American. (Again) Fort Bragg. This isn’t a world where both the billions of dollars in an unaccounted for shadow economy and the actual billions they get to use to militarize against civilians - the same civilians they’re rounding up in our streets now under the pretext of a larger drug war - is ever going to go to waste.

I know. You're not wrong about this.

The only way this statement seems to matter is if you're trying to convince me that the US isn't actually justified..... which yeah. It's not. Not sure if you're paying attention.

losthighway wrote: Mon Jan 05, 2026 9:53 pm I personally know Venezuelans who celebrate his downfall.

Oh, but this is very typical. The Miami Cubans hate the commies, the old guard Mexican-American's resent the illegals. This was the entire reason it is so convenient that a Trump endorsed Venezuelan opposition leader won a Nobel Peace Prize.

Lu Zwei wrote:

zorg wrote: Mon Jan 05, 2026 3:46 pm That's before we review the storied history of European imperialism which still defines the world today, including famously the history of Croatia and the British hand in bringing Tito to power.

This is a really bad attempt at revisionist history and if you say this with a straight face to anyone over here, people will make fun of you.

We do learn our and world history over here really seriously. For grades and shit.

This was just a very reductive sidebar from my point, so I can drop it, but yeah, the UK was backing Tito when he served value to them, much like the US backs all sorts of juntas when it is to their benefit, and I would with full confidence say to anyone in former Soviet block states that the victorious European forces had a detrimental effect on their lands after WWII.

zorg wrote: Tue Jan 06, 2026 8:02 am

losthighway wrote: Mon Jan 05, 2026 9:53 pm I personally know Venezuelans who celebrate his downfall.

Oh, but this is very typical. The Miami Cubans hate the commies,

For sure. And this is the mirror image of what I'm railing against here. Sometimes the enemy of your enemy is....... still your enemy. Everyone just needs to tread a little in the cognitive dissonance, this isn't football.

Some folks go all in on right wing authoritarianism after getting burned by left wing authoritarianism. They have a significantly more lived experience behind their reaction but they're equally wrong to some tankie doing the opposite. It is a little awkward when the college kids tell the political refugees to be quiet.